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Craziest footage ive seen in a while. This plane turned to dust almost instantly. At least they did not suffer.
Unfortunately their last 30 seconds or so were likely sheer terror…
Oh yes. Voice recordings of the communication between the pilots and the Air Traffic Controller can be found online.
Tip: Don’t listen to it.
It’s nothing I didn’t hear in A&P school. We studied several aircraft accidents including black box recordings.
You know the fatal CVR recording that struck me the most? Korean Air 8509. That one is truly chilling.
Me too, but this one is rough somehow.
Yeah, I’ve seen all the warnings. I’m more than happy to avoid it.
I’ve seen war and missiles first hand and this still seems surreal. (I know it’s a plane but I mean how fast tgey come down)
This is absolutely crazy and I don’t know if I can listen to the audio, saw a ton of people warning against it. Saw some people speculate if it was AI which, yeah, I get, but I don’t like how AI has gotten to the point where we have to second-guess, and doubt everything.
When I first saw the video I thought it was AI until I found a news article confirming it and seeing the background of the crater match the video.
It’s not AI, it’s recorded audio from publicly available and documented radio broadcasts, and if you are at all a sensitive person don’t listen to it. It’s fucking awful.
This includes anyone in an aviation related profession. There is nothing to learn here. It will not make you better or safer. It’s just some poor woman screaming to her death. There will probably be something to learn from the findings of the investigation, but not this recording.
Were any of them billionaires?
Multimllionaire but he owned a web surveillance and tracking company so it evens out
no, they were in economy class and going on a work trip.
Reddit moment.
You see a tragedy where a crew and entire family with kids gets turned into char and your knee-jerk comment is “Weeell, were any of those people financially successful? Because if they were, that would turn this tragedy into a wholesome moment 🤗”
I happily smile when pos die!
This is not reddit. We are past the age when it would be cringe. It is class war. You are just joining the hypercapitalist team. Your team wants billionaires to slaughter lesser humans with use of megacorp demonic entities, and the other side wants humans to not be slaughtered at all.
Your world view seems to be entirely shaped by online echo chambers. Take it from someone who has been terminally online before, limiting one’s screen time does wonders for the head.
No, there is an ongoing class war. Did you not notice? Did you go outside, and then actually not see that billionaires are grinding down humans without pretense now?
Can you please give a list of concrete examples?
I can help. But you can just google. Or talk to people. Here in the US, especially healthcare outcomes, it’s so prevalent that everyone knows someone the healthcare system fucked over. As well as most news networks at least covering the state sanctioned murders of Renee Nicole Good, Alex Pretti, and Lorenzo Salgado Araujo but many others go unnoticed. And that’s all not even mentioning the pedophile human trafficking ring via Epstien and that is still likely to be operating given no actual investigations or accountability. So, not even just the deaths, but the destruction of people’s lives, lifelong trauma.
You’re telling us we live in a bubble while we’re connected to our neighbors and communities while we watch you show us you’re in a bubble yourself.
Deaths caused by culture war bigotry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deaths_in_ICE_detention
Deaths caused by making human illness a profit seeking venture
https://pnhp.org/news/lack-of-insurance-to-blame-for-almost-45000-deaths-study/
Deaths caused by capitalists needing you to get back to work faster
Deaths caused by billionaires cutting funding to programs they, themselves, deemed wasteful. Aka human care and support.
Deaths caused by capitalists attacking governments that deny capitalism in favor of the people as well as for preparation to annex the country.
https://cepr.net/publications/us-sanctions-and-the-sharp-rise-in-infant-mortality-in-cuba/
Deaths caused by capitalists again looking to establish dominance and collect resources from other countries resulting in war crimes such as bombing schools, hospitals, world kitchen workers, red cross doctors, journalists, civilian infrastructure and more.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_2026_Iran_war
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/10/7/three-years-of-israels-genocide-in-gaza-in-numbers
There’s so much more, but you can just google it. Even the AI will provide you with articles and reports. Or, as was suggested, go outside and talk to real people. We’ve all been affected, one way or another.
DuPont alone is a list of concrete examples and they are just one contender.
They literally poisoned every living thing on earth.
The first is the example of paying fines lower than the gains from performing illegal and heinous economical crimes such as not providing liquid assets as backing for short selling competitors into bankruptcy, poisoning water for generations and then making bank on the fallout, faking taxes, not paying workers and buying power plants and art that does not exist to use as collateral for even more crimes.
The US murdered 38 million people in the last 50 years through economic sanctions.
billionaires have no empathy so its not outrageous to expect this type of perspective for them.
billionaires have no empathy
Source? Does someone’s net-worth going from $999M to $1B automatically make them a sociopath?
Ok that is a little unfair of me. I do get where you’re coming from, that billionaires tend to do want what’s best for them. And because of their wealth, things they do have a lot of impact on regular people. Impact which may very well be negative (as well as positive, nothing is black and white).
it does come off as sociopathic/selfish when their actions impact us negatively. But it does not come from a place of hatred for humanity, I don’t believe it. In my opinion, they’re regular people who have a huge egos, and are trying to shape the world in their own vision, which people might not really want. A sort of humanity’s savior complex.
I mean look at this comment section, people invoking threats of violence and calling for mass killings of the rich and their families. It’s individuals with their own perception of justice and fairness seeking to shape the world in their own vision, to make it “better” in their eyes. Only difference is that they lack influence power, but besides that, is it really any different from what people on top are doing currently?
P.s.: Just to make it clear, I am not defending the 1% class, no one person should ever hold that much power/wealth. But calling for violence and rejoicing in death? No, that is savage and animalistic, and I must believe we are better than that by now.
own the most successful company in human history. insist your workers piss in bottles at their work stations.
you capable of this? I’m not. I’d pay people. hire more people, and also pay them. I’d pay people and give them benefits to the point, I wouldn’t be able to put billions in a bank account. I’d just be so wealthy no one in my bloodline would ever have to work again, but not the richest man on earth.
you see what I’m getting at here?
it does come off as sociopathic/selfish when their actions impact us negatively. But it does not come from a place of hatred for humanity, I don’t believe it. In my opinion, they’re regular people who have a huge egos, and are trying to shape the world in their own vision, which people might not really want. A sort of humanity’s savior complex.
I think you’re missing my point. I’m not calling for violence or rejoicing in death. This was tragic, especially for the kids.
I lack empathy for the parents specifically. They chose to vacation in the Bahamas on a private jet while billions struggle to afford basic necessities. That choice is what they are and it signals they prioritize their comfort over collective well-being, including economic fairness and environmental sustainability.
Let them have their ego inflation but let it come with consequences. If we condemn wealth concentration but ignore its human cost (emissions, inequality), then yes, we’re being hypocritical about who deserves empathy.
The disconnect isn’t personal hatred and instead it’s recognizing that their lifestyle choices directly harm people like us. A commercial flight crash is a different story entirely. When the wealthy opt out of shared realities and consume resources at our expense, expecting full sympathy seems to contradict holding them accountable for how they’ve built their power.
they prioritize their comfort over collective well-being, including economic fairness and environmental sustainability.
By that logic, majority should give up their comfort and wealth for the sake of collective, because there will always be someone doing worse than others. Except you’d be hard-pressed to convince any regular persons to do so. So why should the family in the airplane? Plus take a look at this:
According to his LinkedIn profile, he founded Retention.com in January 2020 and said he grew the company to $20 million in annual recurring revenue within 3 1/2 years, without outside funding. (Source)
They only just now made came into moderate, self-made wealth. Should they immediately give it up? And I question the magnitude of the negative impact their little vacation has had on us to be honest. Just some food for thought, not every issue has to devolve into a “us vs them”. I implore anyone reading to always be critical of any calls for such way of thinking.
well if poor people won’t give up anything for everyone why should very very very very wealthy people!
I don’t think I agree with your logic there buddy, it sounds like you got some things to process.
are you crazy wealthy or something? what’s a Bar S hotdog on white bread taste like?
billionaires have no empathy so its not outrageous to expect this type of perspective for them.
red_coil489 English billionaires have no empathy Source? Does someone’s net-worth going from $999M to $1B automatically make them a sociopath? Ok that is a little unfair of me. I do get where you’re coming from, that billionaires tend to do want what’s best for them. And because of their wealth, things they do have a lot of impact on regular people. Impact which may very well be negative (as well as positive, nothing is black and white). it does come off as sociopathic/selfish when their actions impact us negatively. But it does not come from a place of hatred for humanity, I don’t believe it. In my opinion, they’re regular people who have a huge egos, and are trying to shape the world in their own vision, which people might not really want. A sort of humanity’s savior complex. I mean look at this comment section, people invoking threats of violence and calling for mass killings of the rich and their families. It’s individuals with their own perception of justice and fairness seeking to shape the world in their own vision, to make it “better” in their eyes. Only difference is that they lack influence power, but besides that, is it really any different from what people on top are doing currently? P.s.: Just to make it clear, I am not defending the 1% class, no one person should ever hold that much power/wealth. But calling for violence and rejoicing in death? No, that is savage and animalistic, and I must believe we are better than that by now. Snowclone English own the most successful company in human history. insist your workers piss in bottles at their work stations. you capable of this? I’m not. I’d pay people. hire more people, and also pay them. I’d pay people and give them benefits to the point, I wouldn’t be able to put billions in a bank account. I’d just be so wealthy no one in my bloodline would ever have to work again, but not the richest man on earth. you see what I’m getting at here? swankypantsu English it does come off as sociopathic/selfish when their actions impact us negatively. But it does not come from a place of hatred for humanity, I don’t believe it. In my opinion, they’re regular people who have a huge egos, and are trying to shape the world in their own vision, which people might not really want. A sort of humanity’s savior complex. I think you’re missing my point. I’m not calling for violence or rejoicing in death. This was tragic, especially for the kids. I lack empathy for the parents specifically. They chose to vacation in the Bahamas on a private jet while billions struggle to afford basic necessities. That choice is what they are and it signals they prioritize their comfort over collective well-being, including economic fairness and environmental sustainability. Let them have their ego inflation but let it come with consequences. If we condemn wealth concentration but ignore its human cost (emissions, inequality), then yes, we’re being hypocritical about who deserves empathy. The disconnect isn’t personal hatred and instead it’s recognizing that their lifestyle choices directly harm people like us. A commercial flight crash is a different story entirely. When the wealthy opt out of shared realities and consume resources at our expense, expecting full sympathy seems to contradict holding them accountable for how they’ve built their power. red_coil489 English they prioritize their comfort over collective well-being, including economic fairness and environmental sustainability. By that logic, majority should give up their comfort and wealth for the sake of collective, because there will always be someone doing worse than others. Except you’d be hard-pressed to convince any regular persons to do so. So why should the family in the airplane? Plus take a look at this: According to his LinkedIn profile, he founded Retention.com in January 2020 and said he grew the company to $20 million in annual recurring revenue within 3 1/2 years, without outside funding. (Source) They only just now made came into moderate, self-made wealth. Should they immediately give it up? And I question the magnitude of the negative impact their little vacation has had on us to be honest. Just some food for thought, not every issue has to devolve into a “us vs them”. I implore anyone reading to always be critical of any calls for such way of thinking.You’re right to reject moral panic, but you’re softening the real question: what happens when we normalize opting out of consequences?
Regarding double standards: everyone needs dignity. But choosing a private jet isn’t just about comfort. It’s an active choice to avoid the systems that bind the rest of us. It’s not about judging their worth; it’s about recognizing they’re living in a layer where choices carry no public cost.
One vacation isn’t the apocalypse. But patterns compound. This lifestyle sends a message that accountability isn’t necessary if you can afford to skip it. When enough people do, the systems holding us together start to fray and that doesn’t benefit anyone.
The crash is tragic. But ask yourself why “empathy” feels automatic for some and complicated for others. It’s not about hatred; it’s about recognizing that their choices land on our shoulders. Its our air, our tax base, our shared infrastructure. Empathy becomes complicated when someone’s “freedom” requires your sacrifice.
This comunity is so beyond saving. Even if we turned the world into a utopia tomorrow, i wouldn’t want any of these psychopaths anywhere close to me. You are part of the problem if you celebrate deaths.
Yeah, I feel like I’m going crazy. These people have very skewed morals and perspective on life. Guess that’s what happens when one sits online all day and only brews in hate.
They had kids? Thank the gods. They don’t deserve parents like that.
Shame for the kids, but a worthy sacrifice.
I’d take those odds any day of the week
Worthy sacrifice for whom? How hard is it to understand that if 1 billionaire dies, another one takes their place immediately. Billionaires are not root cause of all worlds woes, but rather it’s a symptom of a broken system that allows for such extreme accumulation of wealth. Inheritance should be abolished or at least have a max cap, but people will always cry it infringes on their freedom…
They literaly fucking are. A small Cabal of people since the collapse of Rome, corrupting the human race.
The arch-demons, and bane if the human race.
Billionaires are not root cause of all worlds woes
Yes they are. They are literally bribing the politicians into making life harder for everyone else. Then, when someone tries to ease the suffering by getting get a reasonable and minor socialism (e.g., universal health-insurance), they drop bankers’ trucks against it while demonizing a scape goat of a minority that does no harm (see transgender people). They are literally repeating pre-revolutionary France. That is why people cheer when their planes crash.
Billionaires are like a cancer, they seek to grow grow grow without foresight on how that would affect their own environment in which they thrive. But what caused said cancer in the first place? And once again, the system allowed for them to accumulate enough wealth and power, and even still the system allows them to use that wealth and power for their own gain. Everything functions as designed in a capitalistic laissez faire system, that is until a critical point when it won’t.
the system allowed for them to accumulate enough wealth and power
The system they designed.
Everything functions as designed in a capitalistic laissez faire system, that is until a critical point when it won’t.
Per their design.
“It’s a cancer, so we should find a way to deal with the genetic cause of the cancer in our patient rather than cutting it out?”
Thank fucking Christ you’re not an oncologist, because your own metaphor shows why you have to get rid of the billionaires immediately. First, cut it out if you can. Second, if it starts coming back, treat it with poison and hope the body doesn’t die. Third, find a way to treat the genetic defect or environmental factor which caused it in the first place. You have to do all of those, but the first one is objectively more pressing.
If I kill one billionaire, and another shows up for me to kill again, and I can, physically, do that, I will kill them all until I fall dead of exhaustion or there are no more billionaires.
Exactly! Actually, we should end anyone over 80 million$
I don’t know why you’re being downvoted bro. You’re exactly right. Billionaires are like a hydra. We have a system that breeds them, cranks them out, gives them safe harbor in the highest levels of government. Same thing with fascists. We (the people) need to vote them out, put much tighter walls around money and government … but its not the individuals per se, it’s the whole rigged system that needs to be fixed (or chucked), so that we don’t keep breeding people like billionaires.
How long are you going to watch election after election, the dems stall until Republicans get to power again, before you realize that no, you cannot vote them out?
They are always looking out for their own interests, when will you realize that?
He is downvoted because he presented his point in a way that’s really annoying to read
Mind pointing out more specifically why it is annoying to read? English is not my native language.
Accusations like “how hard is it to understand…” and “people should…” feel preachy, since this is lemmy people are driven by feelings more than argument so something like “I believe…” is much more palatable
It’s really only because you showed empathy.
Downvotes don’t mean much here anyway. Someone else is heavily downvoted in this thread for simply pointing out I’m not a man. The users who enjoy watching death videos don’t like their circle-jerking over dead people interrupted with any sort of kindness or care for others.
Billionaires are like a hydra.
so that we don’t keep breeding people like billionaires.
Have you met billionaires? I have. They’re just normal ass parents but with more money and less morals. They want us to fight the system because that’s how they keep hoarding their wealth and passing it down.
Billionaires by in large, inherit their money from billionaire/millionaire parents.
Imagine if we were willing to kill all the confederates kids, all the Nazis kids? Do you think those movements would be as powerful today?
Ironic.
10 innocent people to one billionaire death is an absolutely steal compared to how many people each billionaire kills every year
edit: y’all missing the point
You only say that because you and your loved ones aren’t among the ten.
I say that because it’s true, with no comment of my own feelings on the matter.
There were children on board.
and there are children amongst those billionaires are continuously killing
what’s your point?
I bet you’d love to be one of those 10 yourself if such a “steal” deal were to come up.
that is beside the point and does not negate it
But it shows lack of humanity. I’m pretty utilitarian, but to treat human life as an equation where removal of one human is worth 10 innocents. This road only leads to depression and nihilism and that’s no way to live.
found the liberal
This is the first time I see a real airplane crash, and not some CGI simulation, the sheer speed of that aircraft is crazy to witness.
The last adsb ping had it descending at > 30000 feet per minute. That means they were traveling over 300 mph straight down. I’ve read about a large number of aviation accidents, and this is the first time I’ve ever seen vertical speeds that extreme.
It’s looking like it was more likely 580mph or so, as the ADSB maxes out at 32k feet/min
Yeah, I’ve heard that too. The last few reports from their transponder seem to support that, since they are all the exact same value. I’ll be interested to see if the NTSB is able to extrapolate the actual rate of descent for the last few seconds. It doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things, but it’s certainly interesting.
Yeah this is a crazy accident. They basically plummeted from cruising altitude. The audio is devastating to hear.
It was more or less in free fall the entire time. Likely reached terminal velocity. They tried to roll the plane to get lift back which is why the plane is sideways, but they couldn’t pitch it back up.
One of the current theories is the stabilizers on the tail got obstructed or damaged by ice. They detached at some point before the crash. They were found a few miles away from the crash site today.
Yeah, I was not ready for that audio. It happened so fast, but you could still tell how aware the pilots were of how unrecoverable the situation was. RIP, they didn’t deserve to go out like that.
I had to look it up, you’re not kidding. The pilot literally just screams their decent rate (22,000 feet per minute) and bank (60°) a few times and then nothing.
3 comments about the audio and no link, shocking.
Is it normal for ATC to be this emotionally detached?
- OMG we’re going to die!!!
- Ok let me know if you need any additional assistance
Do not click this if you don’t want to hear someone panicking right before they die. If you are not in a good situation to handle that, this is not for you. You gain nothing from hearing it.
Yeah cheers. Definitely not clicking that.
Appreciate the link. Chills to the bone for those pilots.
Look forward to the NTSB report. To all the dick heads in this thread trying to meme this or get political, fuck you.
Apparently she was only 20. Not that it would be less tragic if she was older.
She was the copilot.
The pilot was a 55 year old male.
And more precise, she was the ‘pilot monitoring’ (PM) meaning she handled all the comm tasks and everything not related to actually flying the plane. The captain was pilot flying (PF)…
Everyone should look for Captain Steeeve on youtube. This man handles this incident with the utmost dignity and respect, only broadcasting the relevant part of the ATC audio, not the entire piece. That is safe for listening. You can feel his pain reviewing the incident.
She was first officer, he was captain. They were both pilots.
What does bank 60 degrees mean? 60 degreees down from horizontal?
It’s how level the wings are with the ground. 0° means the plane’s wings are perfectly level, 90° means one wing is pointing straight up and the other towards the ground.
Though their pitch (nose angle) was so steep the bank value was almost meaningless because the rotational axis was almost perpendicular to the ground. So it didn’t really refer to the actual bank angle as it meant “this situation we’re in right now is completely fucked, I’m panicking but hoping I’m missing something useful in my panic so just calling out information in case it’s the essential piece of info to a solution I can’t see right now”.
This was no accident but it crashed at 700kmph
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Eastern_Airlines_Flight_5735
Why does it seem like someone is trying to cover that up?
Didn’t that last hijacking attempt have then at -30000ft/min for a few seconds. This plane lost the horizontal stabilizer and the hijacked plan landed with no control surface on the vertical stabilizer.
That’s not ringing a bell for me. Do you remember any more info?
it was the air Dubai incident. not sure if it’s properly called a hijacking since it was one of the pilots who attacked the other pilot. plane plunged during the scuffle and I think level flight was restored by a passenger that grabbed the yoke until relieved by off duty pilots who were deadheading in the back of the plane. part of the rudder or one of the stabilizers ripped off.
If only an Israeli plumber broke into the cockpit to save the day…
This wasn’t a hijacking but bad weather/ice
I really don’t get the joke that you’re trying to make?
Allegedly an Israeli plumber saved a flydubai flight to Israel and disarmed the attacked during a dive like this. And the cockpit looked fine afterwards.
Ahh, I heard about that flight, but hadn’t heard about the plumber. Thanks for the clarification
There was a recent plane hijacking attempt (by one of the pilots, no less) to perform a suicidal crash of the plane, the plane was en route to Israel with a lot of Israelis onboard, and they thwarted the attempt fairly heroically.
I don’t get if you’re trying to make a statement or ask a question. What’s with the question mark? You know if you get the joke or not, right?
The actual question is implied by the statement turned into a question. “I don’t get it?” is asking for an explanation.
No, you’re asking if you don’t get it, even if your tone of voice changes while saying it. OP’s statement needed a period, a question would be “Can you explain the joke you’re trying to make?”
you’ve never seen the 9/11 videos?
always crazy to me how the planes just disappear upon impact, it feels like it should be breaking the laws of physics or somethingForgot about those, I saw the second crash live.
Effing Facebook idiots are full on conspiracy cover up mode with this. Spouting it was really a missile and the plane and radio traffic was all a Psy op cover up and shit. They’re nutty as hell. It wouldn’t even make sense.
Just came from a Lemmy thread with the same sentiment. The internet is awash in stupid.
If it was a missle, wouldn’t it have actually hit something worth using an expensive missle on? Not just a random road in Florida?
They were aiming for Mar a Lago
Yes, but that could be easily dismissed. Missiles can often go off target.
Why are you on Facebook?
I get your point - it’s awful these days - but there’s loads of real life local groups, marketplaces, and contacts that I’d lose if I deleted it. Besides, how would I otherwise keep track of the birthdays of random folk I met travelling nearly 20 years ago? :-)
Get a calendar for your wall.
Market place and local area news and info. Like 2\3 if the cool events and local news I find out about is on Facebook.
Aside from the fear, it was painless. And that’s a mercy.
A fearful death seems genuinely horrible thougj
Oh there’s no doubt this was horrible all Around. But the suffering was short. And they felt nothing.
Being in omg I’m going to die levels of fear is suffering
Yeah different levels, dying in intense fear and painless isn’t my top way to die, but it’s definitely not the worst way to go.
I think we’d all prefer a quick, painless, and completely unnoticed death when the time comes. Most get slow and painful. This was in-between those two for me
Yea okay
twists your balls 10 times then pulls them off
How does this compare?
Do you understand that that was only for a few moments?
I mean that first hit is basically dirt rising and liquid humans
Please mark NSFW, while not graphic, this is a recording of the death of multiple people.
that doesn’t make it not safe for work
You would have no way of knowing if the plane was empty from the video. It does not show any deaths. You just know about it from other sources. Overusing NSFW is not the way to go.
And the people on board teleported out?
Jets are not something you Parachute out of
Maybe they did parachute out. It’s unusual but not impossible. Maybe they got sucked out cause a door opened unexpectedly. Maybe they died before the crash for some reason. You can’t know from the video. That’s the point. The video does not show any deaths. Or is a timelapse of earth from space showing deaths and should be marked NSFW in your view?
Maybe they did parachute out
they didn’t. we know that. They were on board. Don’t know what your problem is
I know people are dying on Earth. Doesn’t make video of Earth NSFW. You don’t see anyone die on the video.
Man, you are dense. Are you eating tungsten for breakfast?
Why are you fighting so hard for people to watch death videos in their feed without warning?
Is it thrilling for you to watch videos knowing those people died in that very instant? Does it make your heart skip a beat in excitement knowing that 2 children saw their death coming as their parents prayed to God to save them before they slammed into the ground? Give you a smile knowing that the two pilots did everything they could to save lives and failed anyway?
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Because I use NSFW to not see inappropriate content in public places. Which is what the mark was created for. If everything gets marked NSFW, the marking becomes useless to me. If you want people mark other trigger warnings, go for it, but don’t call it NSFW.
It’s already been marked as NSFW, cry harder.
lol, the nsfw crybaby is telling my to cry harder 🤣 Can it be more ironic? 🤣
what about satelite pictures?
The meteor men beg to differ, judging by the hole in it.
You can find this footage on the frontpage of most news sites now. But if you really want to.
We should uphold higher standards than most news sites. Thanks.
For news yes for marking things NSFW no.
I think we should add “some people can consider this scary” tag. Let people filter out anything potentially “traumatizing”.
This is “Crazyfuckingvideos” how about not clicking on the community.
I’m saying I’m fine with all kinds of videos and I don’t like they idea of marking everything as NSFW. If this is NSF your W don’t browse the internet at work. I think we could use another tag and a “snowflake” mode where people can filter out everything that’s not unicorns and rainbows.
We’re not marking death videos with NSFW these days?
Is it NSFW? There’s no gore, no nudity, and no swearing. The title and community already state it’s not exactly feel good but I don’t see anything that you wouldn’t see in any Marvel movie.
Some servers (including the one I’m on just now) don’t show anything tagged as NSFW, as an easy means of complying with stupid internet laws. Using the NSFW tag as a catch all term for anything you may not want to see then censors large amounts of content.
Why would you be involved in a server that blocks content like that. Basically every Lemmy browser has the option to not show NSFW content. This shouldn’t be done at the instance level and should be left for the user. You should move instances.
They made that choice to cover their own asses, not to nanny users.
Yes watching this video knowing that 9 people have died upon impact makes this a death video.
What’s so wrong with erring on the side of caution and putting NSFW or a CW up?
The title and community already state it’s not exactly feel good but I don’t see anything that you wouldn’t see in any Marvel movie.
Just because you are desensitized to watching death doesn’t mean the rest of us are.
CW fair enough, but NSFW blocks it from several servers erroneously.
Holy shit, look at that, the video is marked NSFW now. What a shocker!
Maybe death videos shouldn’t be pushed so easily into people’s timelines. Let people choose to watch it if they want.
Let people choose to watch it if they want.
Right back at you.
This video was one of the top stories on the BBC’s website today and I’m sure many other news websites around the world. It was “censored” by pausing for 1 second at the point of collision but otherwise it was the exact same video.
If the BBC are putting it on their front page it’s unlikely to be NSFW.
If the BBC are putting it on their front page it’s unlikely to be NSFW.
Yeah defending the BBC is always the right move lol
I still think death videos should be opt in and not pushed to everyone’s front page without any warning or censoring.
Tbf the title makes it quite clear, but the best compromise is a CW so the user can make the call.
While I agree with the sentiment, no one was forced to watch this.
Actually being forced to watch is a part of the point, but its different.
An nsfw tag is also a low-key communication device for the reader to take whatever it is with extra sense of seriousness or caution. In other words to treat it as separate in some way, depending on the post contents, from the rest of the shitposts and daily guff we post.
Its important to distinguish things like this, even if the news doesn’t. We can build up our own humanity and care for each other here. Remind ourselves and each other that theres very real loss in these instances. Its not just another piece of entertainment, or ragetainment for the ‘feed’, events like this should cut through, and nsfw tags can be employed to position the post to cut differently.
Nsfw shouldn’t be thought of as just the ‘woke police’, but a layer of the communication of the post itself.
Some servers (including the one I’m on just now) don’t show anything tagged as NSFW
that’s a problem with your server, and not one the rest of fedi should have to accommodate.
Moth is correct. Good Moth.
What?? Nine real people DIE instantly in a fucking fireball explosion in this video.
Of course this should be tagged NSFW.
Fix your server, get on a different one, fix your laws, or figure out a way to bypass the block. Don’t not comply with community standards that everybody else uses because your country is messed up.
There’s a discussion possible.
I know people who look at the news at work and that often talks about Israel and the USA killing people all over the place.
The news is no standard to go by. We should be better.
The world is an ever increasingly messed up place, and we messed up for being in it.
not if the death isn’t visible
Too late, mods had OP mark it NSFW.
This is a death video regardless.
Then don’t look for the ATC communication with the airplane. That’s NSFL.
Why is it nsfl?
It’s just a window into the horrible moments as people suddenly realize they are about to die and are unable to prevent it. It’s NSFL because it’s likely to stick with you long after you’ve heard it.
Yeah, I was a frequenter of r/watchpeopledie when it was still a thing and consider that audio right up there with the videos from there that would stick with you.
It’s worse than the 9/11 call from the guy above the impact site
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that includes the start of the collapse, because while we the listeners knew he and everyone else he was with was about to die, they didn’t know that for sure and still had hope they might get out of that alive.
You can tell that while there’s a bit of denial remaining, she knows it’s over and she’s panicking from the very start of the event. At first she says they were dropping at 10k feet per minute, then she says 20k feet per minute and I think that’s when she went from scared of potential death to scared of certain death.
The video is nothing compared to how real the audio makes it feel. Like you can imagine how it might have been but the audio makes it much more vivid than that three frames of plane followed by a dust cloud and explosion do.
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Ah. That’s awful.
There’s no fucking way I could listen to that.
No shit. I didn’t listen to it on purpose. I did read the transcript.
With this type of topic, we should be giving people the choice to opt in to watching it by putting a CW or NSFW.
“Private jet slams into roadway with 9 people on board” not enough warning?
Question is, why are we marking videos NSFW when there’s nothing to it. I’ve seen many.
I’ve seen so many.
Because no matter how many NSFW videos you watch, it doesn’t change the video being NSFW.
You realize you are not the only person in the world, right? And that’s why standards and conventions exist?
Not everyone enjoys watching others die.
Then don’t watch a video labelled plane crash?
To be fair to the guy you are commenting to, it auto plays while scrolling through Lemmy, at least on mine. So I can see some people may end up seeing it that didn’t want to. 🤷
Velma is a woman, not a guy.
So?
Oof, someone downvoted you for this? I’m sorry, that’s super petty. Thank you for saying something!
Your aggressive feminism does not go uncelebrated behind the scenes. Yw.
But you didn’t actually see anyone die. You know it from news reports. Also I’m not referring to this video. I just think the NSFW label is overused and abused in terms of click-baiting.
It is, and it also becomes a weapon for the growing puritan culture.
But a huge explosion, that’s a plane crash, where 9 people die in an accident is still NSFW. It is not a video of cute cats playing in the sun, it is a video of people fucking dying, even if you can’t easily make out people bits explode in the fireball.
Fine, then throw a CW at least.
You don’t need to dig your heels in on insisting people should watch this death video.
The title saying it’s a video of a plane crashing isn’t a warning enough?
Not all airplane crashes are deaths, sometimes the plane and the road exchange insurance information afterwards.
And the rules request a CW when applicable.
And that’s not what you asked for.
I conceded CW is fair enough and you continued to argue.
I agree, there should’ve been some warning at least. It is tragic and horrific.
Thank you, that’s the only point I was trying to make.
insisting people should watch this death video.
In fairness, I don’t see anyone making such assertions.
On the general topic, I don’t disagree with your sentiment per se, but I will also note that most news will show footage of fatal plane crashes, so I humbly suggest your view is a minority one on this. I would normally suggest there’s no harm in marking it NSFW, but others noted that would censor it from some places, and so I don’t think that’s a great solution; otherwise I’d lend my voice in support to you anyway, even though I don’t thnk it’s necessary. But I appreciate you speaking up on it, even if I happen to disagree in this instance.
I disagree with what the news does, then. Even if they show it, they really should say something like “this video clip is graphic and is uncensored. It contains people dying”… Nah, the more I think about what they should say, the more I think they really shouldn’t show it so easily. There needs to more barrier to entry, but the more barrier to entry with them still showing it, the more I feel like them showing it at all is wrong.
Like maybe if we went back to the thing where an anchor said like “this video is inappropriate for sensitive viewers” and gave 5-10 seconds of warning, followed by basically “this is your last chance to not watch”.
Because deep down, I think there’s a part of me that is against hiding the ugly parts of life and death and trauma. I think unnecessary trauma should be avoided, but like a lot of people in here are arguing, this stuff isn’t exactly uncommon.
So when it comes down to it, I don’t have a perfect solution for tv cable news. For fediverse, though, and the wider Internet and text based info, we have warnings like NSFW and content warnings for common rough triggers like rape or abuse or stuff that can trigger PTSD. And putting those warnings on stuff for people is just the right thing to do. Because it isn’t for you, it’s for other people who don’t know exactly how it’s going to impact them until it’s too late. There are certain things you can’t unsee. Like jars, horses, elbows, chainsaws, gunshots, or other stuff. And just because something isn’t a majority opinion doesn’t disqualify it from having a warning. That just ends up catering to already overserved demographics.
Like if even a few people are gonna be traumatized by a video that literally contains death, the correct response isn’t to say “too bad so sad fuck you” and not tag it. Especially when the convention is to tag it. Just tag it, it costs nobody anything.
And if it adds to government censorship, that’s truly unfortunate, but I don’t suggest we untag all NSFW content just so they can bypass that. Because that also harms the few to sate the many. In that situation, either the people on the censorship instances need to deal with that, or a compromise should be made, such as a non-tag warning. Like just putting the warning in the title. That accomplishes the actual warning whilst also giving people with the censorship laws their death videos. Everybody’s happy.
its OK, I think they’re ok
Who was on it?
9 people, a family with 2 little kids, the nanny, two pilots, and the other 2 were apparently friends. That thing only seats 7 with like 2 more on the little jump bench so it was crammed to the gills with people
some rich dude who works in tech. also his two young children, sadly.
And their au pair and two pilots.
some rich dude who works in tech.
You’re behaving like trash bruh.
Unknown at this point
Wild, that small car looks like it was caught up in it.
The white car was not hit, it was actually much further back than it appears in the video. In some of the aftermath pictures, you can see it survived. It was definitely damaged by the shockwave but not directly hit. No one on the ground was killed, as far as I know.
The white car just below the crater
Didn’t even take out the power lines. Also the copilot was from Palm Beach, there’s s news clip with her from 2023 at the high school like 2 miles from the crash site
Oh good. Its sad enough as it is.
The fact that the plane went down vertically seems to have really minimized the damage. There’s one frame where the plane is just disappeared, flattened into that crater. The explosion happened from inside the crater and that would do a lot to protect the immediate surroundings.
“Fuck you in particular”
They should have inverted the plane. They should have rolled it.
Thank you for not marking nsfw. I love to read the comments when everyone starts crying.
That makes you an asshole.
