I also reject the framing of “Israel makes Jews unsafe/increases antisemitism” because: (1) we’re the oppressors in the context of Israel, not the victims; (2) this framing abdicates Jewish responsibility because ‘Israel’ is not an amorphous self-animating thing that merely hovers over us, it is a colony that we as Jews actively build and sustain daily through concerted generational effort; (3) that’s not “antisemitism” it’s a reaction to Jewish-led genocide which all our institutions support; (4) you’re conceding to the propaganda that there is a “rise in antisemitism” when Jews currently do not face systemic oppression for being Jewish and the “antisemitic incidents” data is tracked such that every anti-zionist protest sign is clocked as a separate “antisemitic incident” by the ADL so; (5) enough with the Jewish victimhood, “Jewish safety” and “antisemitism” talk, it’s just a distraction from Jewish-perpetrated genocide of Palestinians, Arabs, and Muslims.
So did you read it or not?
I did. I’m confused by your question.
Is it because I said “at minimum”? Because that’s simply implying that there is a potentially more charitable read of what she said, which I then outlined.
You should re-read the other responses you got outlining why you were wrong in your first comment and what the author meant. Or, if you didn’t even finish reading the article to begin with and don’t plan to, you can always just ignore us to save face and move on. People already countered what you said pretty well and explained before, if you refuse to engage with that then you come across like a troll.
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That’s where you’re wrong. You’re still ignoring that one group of people is indigenous and has endured almost a century of genocide and the other group is settlers. The answer isn’t a two state solution, it’s a single state that is secular and doesn’t enshrine Jewish supremacy. Jews can still be welcome and be regular citizens, as long as they give back the stolen houses and ideally pay reparations.
I’m not ignoring it. I don’t believe that the entire US should be dismantled and returned to the Native Americans, despite them being indigenous and suffering centuries of genocide either. History is messy and not every vase can be repaired.
A secular single state could be an ideal I could get behind certainly. I’m fine with that as an outcome. But to be clear, that’s not what either side wants or is fighting for.
But to clarify, you’re fine with the state of Israel continuing to exist and even fully annexing the West Bank and Gaza, so long as they secularize their government, stop the genocide, and allow equal representation to Palestinians? Perhaps some reparations thrown in for good measure? If so, I think we just completely agree.
They already functionally have annexed West Bank and Gaza; people just don’t call it that because then they’d have to admit that Isreal is an apartheid state. A two state solution would require forcedly relocating 10% of the Israeli population who are squatting in West Bank, which Isreal would never allow.
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Well you don’t have to think it, but Zionists and their allies deny it pretty consistently, regardless of what you think. It’s literally the liberal Zionist argument for why Isreal isn’t apartheid.
That never happened. Sorry, I should have realised you were a Zionist here in bad faith.
They are not “unclaimed” you fucking 18th century colonialist. They are claimed by the people living there.
Doesn’t really matter what you say, because that’s what they did.
Yes, but liberal Zionists aren’t reasonable
Doesn’t really matter if you agree. It would require that.
The difference is that West Bank Settlers are an insane fundamantalist militia that have been deliberately armed and organized to resist Palestinian statehood. How in the world are you expecting a Palestinian state to function with hundreds of thousands of armed separatists inside its borders?
It’s because you don’t seem to have actually read the article