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Cake day: June 18th, 2023

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  • Tough to follow the thread when my old comments keep getting removed, lol.

    You keep accusing me of dishonesty, which I’m genuinely not being, but I don’t think I’m going to change your opinion of me.

    You did point out I was incorrect on something and I verified it and affirmed that you were correct. I’m not sure what else you want from me there.

    However, if we’re accusing each other of arguing in bad faith, I think it’s pretty clear I wasn’t saying, “the savages can’t govern themselves.” We don’t need to resort to flagrant misrepresentation. I think I’ve attempted to approach your position charitably and engage with it in a respectful manner.

    I did struggle to figure out what exactly it is you’re arguing for in the last block of quotes. Do you think that reconciliation between Israel and Palestine is actually an easy problem that can be achieved without outside influence? Looking back I don’t know that you’ve established what you think should be done to resolve all this.




  • I’m not ignoring it. I don’t believe that the entire US should be dismantled and returned to the Native Americans, despite them being indigenous and suffering centuries of genocide either. History is messy and not every vase can be repaired.

    A secular single state could be an ideal I could get behind certainly. I’m fine with that as an outcome. But to be clear, that’s not what either side wants or is fighting for.

    But to clarify, you’re fine with the state of Israel continuing to exist and even fully annexing the West Bank and Gaza, so long as they secularize their government, stop the genocide, and allow equal representation to Palestinians? Perhaps some reparations thrown in for good measure? If so, I think we just completely agree.




  • Look, at minimum she clearly says all Jews are morally culpable Zionists. Do you think she’s considering herself a culpable Zionist?

    The word “all” is often used in ways that don’t mean literally every single one. If I say “all Americans are fat and lazy,” or “none of the users on lemmy.ml understand how language works,” do I mean that there are literally zero exceptions to that? Of course not.

    She is saying that the vast majority of Jewish people, even those who disavow the actions of the state of Israel, are still just as morally culpable as the staunchest Zionist and should be treated the same. And she makes it pretty clear how she values the life of the staunchest Zionist.



  • It’s a pretty long article, so I probably won’t read it again. It does end with “If Judaism has to die for Palestine to live, kill it,” though. It also says that October 7th was a good and righteous attack that everyone should support.

    I think that one can be against Israel without wanting the elimination of all of Judism. I also hesitate to full throatedly support an attack against civilians that happened prior to the large scale Palestinian genocide that’s been happening since 2023.

    None of which is to say that Israel is some misrepresented good guy. They’re not. And they certainly aren’t the victims of the Palestinian genocide.

    But I don’t think that’s grounds to hate my Jewish American neighbors. And if there’s one thing this article is abundantly clear in its stance on, it’s that all Jews, even “non-Zionist Jews,” are directly morally culpable for the Palestinian genocide.