Well it did succeed at it’s purpose (inserting Isreali death squads into Gaza)

I’ve not personally seen or heard a large contingent arguing otherwise. I’m sure you can find people who would argue otherwise, but you can find people who would argue the world is flat. Determining what percentage of people believe that position seems hard, but purely anecdotally I don’t think it’s many.

Lol. Well now I know you’re being dishonest.

Further research doesn’t adequately support the stance.

Maybe you should have done that research before repeating falsehoods?

I meant “unclaimed” in the sense of not having a legitimized government. I realize this descends into a debate about the legitimacy of Hamas or the PLO, and to what degree those were successfully operating as a cohesive state, and to what degree it was their fault if they weren’t. I’ll address this more in a later point.

“Obviously the savages can’t be allowed to govern themselves!”

You really are just an old school colonialist.

My gut is that

Don’t care.

but your last point just sounds like a Zionist talking point flipped around. How do you expect a state to exist when it has thousands of armed militants operating within its borders?

Ok, just keep demonstrateing that you’re talking in obvious bad faith I suppose.

It’s not an easy problem for anybody, which is why it hasn’t been solved anytime in the past century.

No. That’s not why it hasn’t been solved, and you know it.

It’s worth noting that neither of the first two options can work at all with the only two players at the table being Israel and Palestine.

Yeah, but one can work without a massive military campaign to remove hundreds of thousands of armed squatter extremists.

I don’t think anyone, even the staunchest Zionist apologist, denies that Gaza and the West Bank are functionally annexed.

Well you don’t have to think it, but Zionists and their allies deny it pretty consistently, regardless of what you think. It’s literally the liberal Zionist argument for why Isreal isn’t apartheid.

They might argue that it was an unavoidable inevitably after Egypt and Jordan refused to claim those territories when they were offered.

That never happened. Sorry, I should have realised you were a Zionist here in bad faith.

Unclaimed and unmoderated zones in the Middle East tend to quickly become hard to ignore

They are not “unclaimed” you fucking 18th century colonialist. They are claimed by the people living there.

Thaf said, and to be perfectly clear, I’m not saying that they had to form an apartheid state.

Doesn’t really matter what you say, because that’s what they did.

No reasonable person questions that.

Yes, but liberal Zionists aren’t reasonable

I don’t think that I agree a two state solution would require forced relocation of settlers though

Doesn’t really matter if you agree. It would require that.

it wouldn’t require Israel to expell all Palestinians from Israel. Minority populations should still be allowed to exist.

The difference is that West Bank Settlers are an insane fundamantalist militia that have been deliberately armed and organized to resist Palestinian statehood. How in the world are you expecting a Palestinian state to function with hundreds of thousands of armed separatists inside its borders?

They already functionally have annexed West Bank and Gaza; people just don’t call it that because then they’d have to admit that Isreal is an apartheid state. A two state solution would require forcedly relocating 10% of the Israeli population who are squatting in West Bank, which Isreal would never allow.

It’s because you don’t seem to have actually read the article

So did you read it or not?

Ok, so you’re being knowingly dishonest.

The author is Jewish

People who are “scared off” by leftwing politics are probably happier elsewhere anyway