• queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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    9 小时前

    russia russia russia

    They’re billionaire backed, and last I checked, billionaires were in no danger of collapse.

    • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
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      8 小时前

      First of all, you QUOTED me saying:

      russia russia russia

      I never said that, and I take extreme offense at putting false quotes in my mouth. That establishes you as a Lying Pig right out of the gate, so we ALL know what we’re dealing with here.

      Yeah, Billionaires, RUSSIAN billionaires, and any other billionaires as well. The interference by Russia in the last three elections is well-established by EVERY American intelligence agency, as well as the intelligence agencies of every one of our allies. The Russian interference in our elections is well-documented for history, and anyone denying it looks like a massive idiot as best, a traitor at worst.

      What you Russia defenders aren’t understanding is that Russia has already become what they want to to do to America, and then everywhere else. You say billionaires, I say Russians, but they are the same thing.

      It’s not about politics, that’s just the vehicle. It’s about CRIME, specifically MONEY. These people aren’t really politicians, trying to take their country in a specific political direction, no matter how misguided they may be. They don’t care about politics, they are CRIMINALS.

      Sociopathic Oligarchs, aka organized crime billionaires, managed to take over Russia, and they have established it as their global base of operations to take over everything else. Currently, they are trying to take over America, as well as every other nation, eventually. They disguise themselves as politicians, but the government is just a front, like that pizza shop that nobody ever goes into, but always has a bunch of guys sitting around at the tables out front, not eating pizza.

      They’ve taken over Russia, and continue to loot it, and other Sociopathic Oligarchs have noted their success, and have formed an alliance. Now the criminals have taken over America, and are trying to make it permanent. Billionaires, Russians, Oligarchs, Presidents, CEOs, etc. the labels don’t matter, they are all the same, with the same objective - take over the country in any way possible, and steal EVERYTHING.

      But you want to quibble about

      russia russia russia

      • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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        5 小时前

        I’m sorry, but you were bringing up BlueAnon talking points, and that’s why you were jokingly quoted as such. Russia is not behind the US Empire’s downfall, that’s been the gradual decay in imperialism and the dominance of Statesian finance capital. This is why a return to Marx and Lenin is necessary, otherwise conspiracy theory becomes the explanation for everything.

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        7 小时前

        this is true except for the russian oligarchs trying to take over the usa.

        it’s the opposite: american oligarchs (aka the epsteins) had taken over the entire western world and reached into russia back in the 90’s and it enabled another oligarchy in their own image.

        the problem is that the russian oligarchy is nationalist, unlike the epsteins, so their goals are in sometimes in conflict with the epsteins; hence the election interference. it’s just another version of inter-class infighting, but for the ruling class and on a global stage.

        • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
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          7 小时前

          Valid. I didn’t mean that that Russian Oligarchs (Mobsters) were directly taking over America, I meant that they took over Russia, and Russia was promoting far-right movements across the globe. Other Sociopathic Oligarchs have allied with that same strategy, and are all pushing the same things, but the nation with the biggest influence is Russia, being led by their Organized Crime government.

          It is a simple fact that Russia has interfered directly, and substantially, in the last three presidential elections, and probably several before that, and it is silly to debate that. There is no doubt that Trump has been heavily steered by the Putin, we have seen it with our own eyes. Just look at Trump’s latest adventure. He shut down the world’s oil supply, but removed sanctions on Russian oil. Everybody else in the world, including America, has to take a serious hit on the global oil shortage, except Russia, who gets to make money on it (which they need badly), thanks to TRUMP.

          Also silly is to completely dismiss the work done by intelligence agencies. Sure, we all know they do lots of sketchy stuff, that’s the nature of intelligence, but they tend to be smart, competent people, who know what they are doing.

          I’ve seen many reports on what the Russians were up to in 2016, 2020, and 2024, and there was no doubt that were trying hard to cause trouble. I’m not going to just ignore what I know because it’s cool and edgy to just dismiss out of hand anything that comes from an intelligence agency.

          When an intelligence agency makes an announcement, of course you have to consider any ulterior motives, which are almost always there, but to just dismiss EVERYTHING they do is dumb.

          Of course, the other reason to dismiss everything from a valid source like intelligence agencies is because it doesn’t fit your narrative, which is disengenuous.

          So, dumb or disngenuous?

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            7 小时前

            more accurate

            americans have been groomed to believe in cults of personality since the 70’s starting with the evangelicals and trump simply took advantage of it; obama proves that there’s a similar cult for liberals.

            and oligarchs interfere anywhere that they can, it doesn’t matter what nation that they’re originally based in; they will never suffer the consequences of their actions – only we will.

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              7 小时前

              Valid.

              America has a serious problem with celebrity.

              And we will have to do something globally about the rising influence of Sociopathic Oligarchs. They are already getting rich enough that they are starting to cut personal deals with nations, without regard to their own nation, or whatever nation they purport to be citizens of.

              Soon they will reach trillionaire status, and become even more powerful, and it is just a matter of time before an alliance is formed, a landmass is purchased or conquered, and they establish their own nation, with their own laws, and their own military.

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                6 小时前

                the alliances have already manifested themselves several times in the last century or so and the collapse of the soviet union was probably one of their greatest achievements since they succeeded in their goal despite an overwhelming majority of russians resisting the change through voting and violence.

                and the existence of oligarchs along w the american affinity for celebrity are also manifestations of that grooming that i mentioned in my previous comment.

                the only way to stop it is to through collective action; which is why the oligarchies in the west took pains to prevent collectivization through any and all means available to them and the oligarchies of the global south and russia have followed suit. the epstein files proves how much the western oligarchy feared collectivization in examples like the “me too” and “occupy wall street” movements which are both explicitly referenced in both the epstein files and the maxwell court case.

                none of this is new and all this has already been dissected ad nauseam via examination essays/papers of the circumstances that created the white army and the soviet union’s collapse.

      • 秦始皇帝@lemmy.ml
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        8 小时前

        The interference by Russia in the last three elections is well-established by EVERY American intelligence agency, as well as the intelligence agencies of every one of our allies

        Groups famous for telling the truth about their enemies.

        a traitor at worst

        Being a traitor against a genocidal empire is good actually

        Russia has already become what they want to to do to America, and then everywhere else.

        What Russia is today was largely imposed upon them by your beloved EuroAmerikan empire.

        You say billionaires, I say Russians, but they are the same thing.

        Holy chauvinism.

        These people aren’t really politicians, trying to take their country in a specific political direction, no matter how misguided they may be. They don’t care about politics, they are CRIMINALS.

        I take it back this is the holy chauvinism. Also ironic an American talking about other countries having criminal politicians.

        Sociopathic Oligarchs, aka organized crime billionaires, managed to take over Russia

        Holy passive voice. “Managed”. You mean were boosted to power during shock therapy as the former USSR was looted by the EuroAmerikans

        You are fucking deranged I can’t wait to piss on the grave of the EuroAmerikan empire and all of its bootlickers.

        • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
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          8 小时前

          You don’t even realize that you basically agreed with everything I said. These people are ALL global criminals, and you are still here whining about governments. Stop with your university radicalist anarchist nonsense, and understand that it isn’t about politics or governments or social systems, blah blah blah. That’s all so 20th century European radicalism. Boring, stupid, and an utter failure.

          This is ONLY about Money and Crime. These people aren’t interested in establishing any sort of government system, they only want to steal EVERYTHING. Get that through your head. This isn’t about who has a better system of government, dummy. The Sociopathic Oligarchs don’t care about that. They only want the treasure. The rest of us can starve, or kill each other, or whatever. Here’s a bunch of guns, point them at each other.

          But yeah, instead of addressing the Global Mafia that’s taking over the world, let’s debate which governmental system was responsible 30 or 40 or 50 years ago, that you wrote a masters thesis about. That’s relevant, and productive. /s

          • 秦始皇帝@lemmy.ml
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            8 小时前

            Oh you’re a troll. Fuck. I can’t believe I fell for the bait. Honestly hats off to you genuinely impressive. Honestly if you didn’t go full mask off alternate reality deranged I might not have realised. Very impressive work.