Framework announced the Framework 13 Pro including full Linux support right from the beginning.
Some quick information about the Device:
- will use Intel Core Ultra 300 (Panther-Lake)
- updated Battery Design with (up to) 20h Battery life
- custom designed Display Panel with Touch support (keeping the 3:2 aspect ratio)
- LPCAMM2 for upgradable/replacable RAM without compromising on Speed/Low Power of LPDDR5X
- milled Aluminium Unibody chassis
- Full Linux support right from the start (including Firmware update via LVFS, Fingerprint Reader, etc.)
- Haptic Touchpad
- and all the repairability features Framework is known for
You can watch their YouTube Video for a quick summary:
- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnOpIQJnYWU
- Invidious: https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?__goaway_challenge=js-refresh&__goaway_id=5a21ef489cbc0e9e48ccded2c92f2b68&__goaway_referer=https%3A%2F%2Finv.nadeko.net%2F&v=GnOpIQJnYWU
I was looking for a new laptop to replace my old Lenovo Yoga 370 and initially disregarded the Framework 13 because of some downsides (low Battery Life, bad Camera, etc.) and was looking to go with one of the following devices:
- HP Elitebook X g1a
- the new Dell XPS 14
- Asus Expertbook PM5 G2
or also a MacBook pro. I am using Linux since more then 10 years and never touched MacOS at all. So I was not sure if MacOS would work for me. But this announcement made it easy: It will be a Framework 13 Pro with Intel X7 358H!
I love my original Framework running Fedora, but in order to compete with MacOS, Windows and Linux need to figure out standby battery usage without hard shutting down after each use. Otherwise, the size of the battery is not pointless, but pretty close.
I recently installed Mint on my laptop and I have this problem, too. Windows 11 sucks, but I could just close the laptop and not worry about it and still have battery for a long time.
Now I assume it’ll last with the lid closed maybe a day or two at max, and even then I’m plugging it in the moment I open it back up.
This, so much this. I also run Fedora.
I can’t just close the lid and put it in my bag without worrying.
Honestly, most times of I’m not actively working on something, I just shut it off completely before packing it away. It starts plenty fast, and at least I know I’ll actually have battery when I need it. Instead of finding it dead or at 10%. So annoying.
Tbh even if they figure it out (and they should, not everyone is me) I probably won’t use it often, I like the extra layer of security having to type my LUKS pass to unlock the FDE then my User pass, just in case. Plus as you noted it starts plenty fast already at under 30sec, it’s not a 5min boot like windows on my old laptop.
Same, also on Fedora. I deal with it by using hibernate (which is sweet until a kernel update borks it)
I looked into it, but I didn’t want to mess with rpmostree anymore than I need to, since I’m on bluefin. I’m really digging the forced stability.
I recently learned that the option to hibernate goes away when Fedora is booted with SecureBoot. It was surprising to me, and might be good to know for you, that’s why I’m mentioning it.
This is quite an impressive launch from Framework. Even with the high RAM and storage prices, it is still cost competitive with an equivalent MacBook Pro (my yardstick for mid-high end laptops), but with a fully open design you can run Linux on without any virtual machines, and with (claimed) nearly equal battery life. I am somewhat disappointed though by that display, in my opinion touch is not as worthwhile compared to a display with local dimming (OLED/Mini LED).
You shouldn’t buy based on promises or assumptions. But if I had to guess, I’d say an OLED panel may come eventually. And it would likely be backwards compatible.
Original FW13 owners already had the original glossy panel, then the new matte higher resolution panel came out as a drop in replacement, and now this new touch panel is also a drop in replacement.
I already have a FW13 with the matte high res panel, I won’t be going to touch panel. But maybe if they do an OLED I’d jump to it.
My plan is not to upgrade unless I need to. If something breaks, it’ll get the newest version of whatever that thing is.
Unless I feel hampered by my 7040u in 3 or 4 years, then maybe I’ll do something about it? But I really don’t need that much horsepower in my life.
I’m just glad I have the option. And happy to support a company giving me the option.
From my experience trying to find retrofit displays for my ThinkPad P14s Gen 5, there’s two routes Framework probably could go down for this.
An OLED would be the best display option, and is somewhat more available. However, it requires extra voltage circuitry in order to work compared to an LCD, so there would probably need to be a mainboard revision to accommodate this, making it quite unlikely as it locks out users of existing systems (Unless they have some sort of adapter? No idea how that would work but maybe something could be done).
Alternatively, I have seen that there are Mini LED displays with the same connector (40 pin 4 lane eDP) and voltages that can work as a direct replacement, although without the per pixel backlight advantage of OLED. However there appears to be very few panels available in this configuration, probably raising the price a bit, especially since I can’t find any in the 13.5 inch size of the Framework 13. Considering this Pro version has a custom manufactured display though, they could probably source one eventually and sell it as an upgrade.
good battery life is nice, but does Linux’s bibernation or suspend work reliably on this? Asking because coming from Lenovo, the power performance is not a problem but it is the power management. Unless I am on a Window version specifically for that Lenovo laptop or I am on a Mac, there is always that 10% chance the laptop will fail to suspend properly.
In my experience Power Management is broken on Windows and Linux the same way. Some laptops do work better then others, but none of both Systems works fully reliable. My work HP Elitebook 845 G8 also has the problem of waking itself up in my backpack and boiling to Death (empty Battery). And it is running on Windows.
Don’t know if Apple with their MacBooks have similar problems.
i think the good alternative is to get a really fast drive and hibernate everytime you close the lid. Sure it’s slower to resume but with ssd that shouldnt be an issue. Or if Framework has 2 drives we can suspend the image to that 2nd drive then use the main drive to boot up off of it.
I was loaned a Macbook at my previous workplace. Didnt really use it much because my work apps do not work on Mac. So it sat on the shelves until the day I left the company (too much toxicity). I only used it once or twice when doing presentations. Anyway, that thing suspened pretty much 10/10. The power save is better too: i closed the lid on Sunday night and next Sunday, when open up the lid the battery was at 95%.
up until a few months ago, i’ve been only been using linux-first companies because of battery life and power management and it spoiled me because i came to expect a windows/mac-level of performance in this realm.
i tried going back to a windows-first laptop most recently and the power management has definately gotten better under linux than it was the last time i tried in 2013, but it still leaves something to be desired like your lenovo laptop does and it makes me wish that framework were more candid about linux user experiences to justify the additional costs that they’re expecting from us.
this looks cool, but i have a note for those willing to stop using their working but more proprietary devices to get this instead.
while this is more repairable and upgradable than most currently popular laptops, you shouldn’t upgrade if you don’t need to. if your device works, and you can live with the missed performance and other features, don’t condemn it to the e-waste bin, where it will most likely not be efficiently disposed of nor recycled, and add to the at least 62 million tonnes of yearly e-waste that is also processed by socially vulnerable people (including children) in economically disadvantaged nations.
if you don’t have to waste it, don’t. reduce.
Reduce
Reuse
Recycle
And in that order
Reduce…
Reuse…
ecyc e…
For the cultured
Ofc if you want to throw away your old laptop you should give it to me instead :3
Unironicaly though there should be a mass program where old PC parts and tech are donated from people who don’t want it to people who do (for example an old laptop that a retro collector might want or a broken laptop someone else might be willing to fix)
They could put it on eBay. Win-win?
Or donate to NetBSD foundation. NetBSD tends to keep old hardware alive.
giving it to someone else is good too
I fully agree!
As much as I want to support Linux/repairability friendly companies, I want to avoid creating e-waste even more.
That’s why, for my administrative uses, I might never buy a new PC again but only get Linux friendly used ones.
As for gaming, I’ll still probably get a Steam Machine on top of my Steam Deck (got it used) as you need something more powerful and can’t just get something from 2012 if you want to be able to play recent games.
Yep, instead upgrade when you feel to and keep the old parts as replacement in case something break, repurpose it or give it to someone that will use it;
I’ve seen people using old framework parts for home servers too
A lot of people use old laptop’s, in part or whole, as home servers. Really not something framework invented.
The point wasn’t that framework invented it, the point was that it’s one possible use of the old components
But it’s really nothing that sets the framework apart
It wasn’t meant to be something that set framework apart, just a suggestion of what you can do with old framework hardware
Agreed. Don’t spend money you don’t have to just to fit in with losers on the internet.
When can we get those dark chassis parts in the shop for the 16" Framework?
The dual screen Asus Zenbook Duo works great with Linux. Programmer’s dream, love mine.
Such a cool device. I hope many other vendors will eventually include that form factor in their lineup. I can’t wait to get my hands on a high-end Thinkpad DUO.
This is really cool, I hope they end up taking off. I wish there was something similar to this in the EU. I’d be very interested in a laptop I can upgrade over time.
I think framework are worthy of support even though the company is American.
- Regardless of who you buy from… Manufacture including assembly is done in east Asia. That’s where most of your money is going.
- Framework are not tech giants. They’re a small company battling giants.
- The ethos of ownership, repair and upgrade needs supporting.
- They’ve been following through on their promises.
So yes, I’m not buying US goods as much as I can also. I make an exception for Framework. They’re the resistance in an occupied nation.
Super valid approach! I’m not out here casting judgement on where people choose to throw their money in a situation like this. I think there’s plenty of nuance and room for different values to end up with different results.
There’s still benefits made, and it goes to a US company. Framework is obviously high quality and their approach is really laudable, but who says their employees won’t spend part of their salaries on Starbucks, McDonald or Coca-Cola. That’s how far current events made me go when purchasing literally anything. I just stopped buying my regular EU brand peanut butter because they source peanuts “from Argentina, India and… US”. Ok sorry for the rant. Anyway, Tuxedo looks good.
The laptops are made and assembled in Taiwan and send directly from there to the consumer. At least if you order from Europe.
I propose a little cultural exchange. I’m sure Framework and Fairphone could stand to do a little cross pollination.
They are sold in Europe, no need to wait!
I appreciate the heads up, but I’m trying to buy from EU if I can.
Ah then your comment makes sense. In Europe the closest we have are the Linux laptops from Tuxedo, which I’ve heard are pretty repairable, but not really upgradeable.
Tuxedo is actually who I’m probably going to end up going with. Repairability is a must, upgrading I’m okay with being a “nice to have” for now. My fingers are crossed for something during the next upgrade cycle, though!
Tuxedo (and most of “European” and/or “Linux” brands like Slimbook, XMG/Schenker etc.) are rebranded Tongfang or Clevo laptops though. They are neither designed nor made in Europe.
Right, but if I spend money at an EU business, it doesn’t go away and might expand to design or make their own computers, or it might move the needle by showing a stronger interest in EU companies that allows for a company that does design parts in the EU to take that space.
My purchase philosophy for every single item nowadays
I hope so. I’m still rooting for them
Europe doesn’t make RAM, or processors or WiFi chips. Why do you want a European dude assemble parts for you?
Because I would rather pay a European company over an American company where possible for similarly valued products. By supporting a company here, I am hopefully contributing to an expanding market here.
I am of the same opinion, but when it comes to laptops, I’d rather go for an american company that cares about repairability, sustainability, and genuinely good laptops than a EU company without those values. It’s not all black and white, and this is a clear case where paying a US company is one of the better choices.
That’s fair. As far as I’m aware, Tuxedo laptops have a good history with repairability, and I personally use my devices until they die and are no longer suitable for what I need them for, so I’m not all that worried about being horribly unsustainable with it. I’ve heard Tuxedo laptops are pretty high quality as well, so that kinda covers all my bases.
For me, there’s the added moral imperative of spending less money on US companies as well, though. It’s kind of a balancing act all around. I’m not judging you for picking what you pick, either, though. Just different strokes and all that.
Framework sells DIY kits so the European dude assembling the laptop could be himself!
That just means they assemble it, test that it works and disassemble to pack the DIY kit, lol
I remember framework posting that it takes more work to pack the DIY kits.
Huh interesting! I see playing on their website that an equivalent laptop is more expensive in the DIY version, it’s just that the starting price includes no RAM, storage, etc.
So the DIY is for people who want to bring their own parts, not for people who want to get all the parts then save money!
The DIY version also doesn’t include a Windows license unless you want it.
Are framework products not available in the EU?? They’ve been making stuff for years I figured surely they would be
I’m sure they are, but I’m trying to support EU companies rather than US if I can avoid it.
If you buy Tuxedo you’re supporting Chinese companies mostly
Are frameworks made in the US? Last I saw they are made in Taiwan.
In any case I’d rather fund China than the US lol are you kidding.
They are made in Taiwan and then directly send to the consumer. At least when ordering in Europe.
Yes, I’d prefer Taiwanese companies to get the money over Chinese ones
Yeah, I’m aware Tuxedo isn’t manufacturing their own parts. I would rather whatever cut isn’t spent on manufacturing costs to go toward an EU company, though.
Why do you want to ship the rest of the profits to China over Taiwan
That’s not a thing that I said I want.
But that’s a thing when you get when you buy laptops made by Chinese OEMs
They cost an arm and a leg. We definitely need our own version of Framework home grown.
Pro 13 pre built with Intel
Germany: 2369 eur USA: 1499 usd
You can literally go to New York, eat a rye and pastrami, get your framework 13 pro, fly back and still be somewhat ahead
Add taxes and spedition costs to the USA one
It’s insane how much tech fleeces Europeans, but it’s also always been like this. We don’t get the insane discounts USians get either. Never seen a Thinkpad 50% off around these parts like they do over there.
US price is without taxes and the German price is with VAT already included. It’s still more but not as drastic.
True, without 20% VAT German price would be ~1974 eur (=~2319 usd)
They are sold in Europe, don’t worry.
there are a couple of third party motherboards compatible with framework already.
not there yet but it seems it’s slowly getting there.
I wonder how its touchscreen will be or is on their available laptops and does it support drawing with a tap like ipad or any other android tablet does? My friend has a surface laptop, its hardware is very good from what i know, it also has its own pen and it has pen pressure, the only problem is the screen, whenever i tried to draw on it the screen would shake and i was afraid i was going to break it. I wonder is that a surface laptop problem or a problem with all laptops that support this feature
Man I was really hoping for a haptic touchpad compatible with the current input cover… At least they kept the Pro input cover compatible with the regular chassis, although it’s a very pricey upgrade.
I think you can just get the new Pro input cover, right? That’s essentially just the trackpad. The aluminum of the cover itself is probably a fairly negligible part of that cost.
That’s correct:
Doesn’t change the fact that the new input cover is 200€, vs 100€ for the 2nd gen one and discounted 45€ for the 1st gen.
That’s about the same price as a MacBook Pro touchpad replacement. Just the touchpad.
Ouch. And I guess it’s slightly more involved than removing 5 screws and a connector…
In fairness, from MacBook Neo teardowns I’ve seen, it’s only slightly more involved. But then again, the Neo doesn’t have a haptic trackpad. For the Pro’s haptic trackpad, yeah, I would bet it’s a pretty huge pain to replace.
price has been the one thing keeping me away from framework and it looks like that’s not going to change anytime soon.
It’s slightly more expensive than a similarly-spec’d laptop from another company. It’s really not crazy.
i bought a laptop almost 9 months ago and the nemo brand offered a 32-gig, i7 equivalent amd, with a terrabyte harddrive for the same price as a 16gig, i5, 256 terrbyte drive for the same price; more than double in some respects.
Those nine months are a pretty consequential nine months for your point, though. How much would that laptop have cost today if released new? How much is repairability and build quality worth to you?
yes, they were consequential months and i disappointed myself just now because i had thought that i lucked out buying my laptop right before the AI RAM crunch hit; but i did an apples to apples comparison on laptops between framework 16 ai 7 350 based model and whatever laptop i could find with the same specs on amazon just now and found that the price delta is still roughly double.
i can understand paying extra for a laptop since i’ve been doing that since 2014 with buying linux first laptops and i felt it was worth it because i was getting something out of the price delta with battery/power management that rivaled windows and support that rivaled macs; so i can also understand how anyone could feel like the framework price delta is worth it also if repairability or quality mattered to them.
however the framework delta is so much larger than most of the linux first deltas so repairability and quality has to matter A LOT more than i’m understanding and that’s i why made my comment about the price keeping me away from framework.
Well, not as powerful as my m5 pro macbook, but incredibly compelling. Should macOS/apple piss me off sufficiently I’m glad to know I have a good option to move to although it seems I’d be missing out on hdr? It’s frustrating that the framework feels like such a me coded device and I love Linux but there’s stuff I use/like about macOS that I can’t quite replicate just yet. I hope framework really does takeoff, would love one of these as my work issued machine instead of shitty dell laptops someday.
If bribing a fascist president with a literal gold bar, refusing to comply with EU law and then complying maliciously years later, global tax dodging, and anti-competitive behavior isn’t enough to piss you off sufficiently, I’m not sure what will.
When the Motorola Graphene phones are available, I’m dumping my iPhone, which is my last Apple device.
That’s certainly a fair point and I’m certainly not happy about it but ultimately I need at least one machine around to run some various proprietary software. I’d rather it be macOS than windows. Also given current hardware pricing I didn’t have the capital to grab say this framework and setup all my own cloud stuff just yet. I do self host a lot of stuff on an older mini pc, and I do use Linux on my desktop but I’m not quiiite there yet. I also did try graphene for a couple weeks but ultimately can’t use it yet full time. I’m definitely keeping an eye on the project though
Just out of curiosity: What is it that you actually need HDR for in a professional context? Movie/Film making? Because apart from that I only see HDR used in media consumption related topics (playing Games, watching 4K HDR movies).
I don’t need hdr professionally. I do like having it though because I like to try to not tether myself to my desk when I can avoid it because I’m already stuck at desk jail at work for 8 hours every week day. Means I use my laptop screen a lot.
Did they say what the full chassis upgrade kit will cost? There is no price in their shop, only a selection for the keyboard language with a price beside it but I doubt that the full chassis kit only costs 200€.
this is the price only for the input/top cover: https://frame.work/de/de/products/laptop13pro-input-cover-kit?v=FRANKK00A7 If you want to also upgrade the Back Cover you will need an additional Kit: https://frame.work/de/de/products/laptop13pro-bottom-cover-kit?v=FRANKN000H
I’m talking about this kit: https://frame.work/de/de/products/framework-laptop-13-pro-chassis-kit-graphite?v=FRANKK00A1
Good question. Don’t know. Would need to ask the Framework Forums for some clarification.
So, no weird firmware issues with Framework, like Tuxedo had?
Let’s hope that “Ubuntu certified” means that all the Hardware and its Firmware is propperly working. But to be 100% sure we will need to wait for the first units to ship and some reviews.
The machine hasn’t shipped yet, and won’t until July. Framework has a page for downloads of their BIOS updates for their various generations of mainboards, and for Linux users all firmware can be updated by LVFS via fwupd as far as I’m aware.
I have my preorder in for the 13 pro, and I know full well there may be some firmware growing pains with the new chip architecture, but I think 6 generations in, they’ve proven themselves capable of addressing any issues that arise.
Framework is getting first-party support for Ubuntu (and thus Ubuntu-derived distros) and will be “ubuntu certified” so probably not.
There are issues, but at least Framework releases firmware updates
My 7040u is rock solid on Fedora. I’ve seen some pretty bad shit with the Ryzen AI series, but people tend to only post about issues.
Currently regretting an “upgrade” to the Ryzen AI series… although many of its most glaring issues (that weren’t issues on the 7040) appear to be fixed in Resolute Raccoon based on testing a daily release of it as a live boot.
Interesting, I thought that the Ryzens were better than Intel’s offerings?
What were the issues?
The 7040 discussed here is the 1st gen Framework 16" offerings and also an AMD cpu. The newer AI300 series chips don’t seem to play as nice with the older linux kernel available in Ubuntu Noble Numbat 24.04.4 without enabling HWE, HardWare Enablement. Suspend fails on the newer 2nd gen out of the box although I think in my case tracked that to the newer WiFi rather than the mobo/cpu and appears to be solved on the new LTS, long term support, due for release tomorrow. Also been getting some mouse cursor ghosting that wasn’t seen with the 7040 not full lines but half a cursor left rendered on the screen until something mouses over it again and the touchpad stutters upon engagement and jumps which is possible a known Wayland issue but is dramatically more noticeable on the AI 300 than the 7040 once using the touchpad it is fine but initial use there is a slight but noticeable lag. I mean none of these other than suspend (if you don’t know about it and torch your machine in a bag) are breaking usage.
edit newer AI300 also doesn’t seem to kick over to the GPU as reliably but haven’t troubleshot that as intending to upgrade the software shortly. Also Framework doesn’t suggest installing that older version of Ubuntu on said hardware so it seems they are aware of it but those of us who prefer LTS versions as opposed to interim releases have had issues?
This made me feel better about not understanding the benefits of attic halo and buying 7040
they still finance fascists btw
I mean, buying amost every american or even eu company supports fascists
EDIT: You can safely ignore most of what I wrote. Rails World is the DHH Rails conference (I am not a rails person) that they sponsor.
I can’t figure out if this is true or not.They did sponsor Omarchy, and they do still list on their linux support page that they seed hardware to Omarchy, but on their official list of sponsorships (included in the spoiler/hidden block so as not to spam/monopolize the thread) they do not list Omarchy.
So I don’t know what the current situation is, but it does appear they’re distancing themselves from it a bit. They last posted on Bluesky about Omarchy 8 months ago (about when the scandals happened).
Actually: in writing this I realized that Hyprland is also problematic, or maybe they’re not anymore, but they are listed in their sponsorships. So I don’t actually know what that means.
https://frame.work/ca/en/blog/framework-sponsorships
Full List of Sponsorships, Mar 25, 2026
Organization/Event Type Sponsorship amount Los Altos Hacks IX Monetary + product sponsorship $500 Daydream Hackathon Monetary sponsorship $500 Aeroespacial Association COSMOS at the Rey Juan Carlos University (URJC) Monetary sponsorship 3x units Open Hardware Summit hosted by Open Source Hardware Association Monetary sponsorship $500 DebConf Monetary sponsorship €2,000 NixCon Product sponsorship 1x unit KDE Akademy Monetary sponsorship €2,000 Labscon 2025 Product sponsorship 3x units SemiTO-V (University Team) Monetary sponsorship €500 RISC-V International Product sponsorship 2x units Nerdearla Monetary sponsorship €800 Linux Fest Northwest Monetary sponsorship + event booth $500 Open Source Summit North America and Open Source Summit Europe hosted by Linux Foundation Monetary sponsorship + event booth $20,000 COSCUP Monetary sponsorship + event booth $6,000 Texas Linux Fest - hosted by Texas Linux Festival (TXLF) Monetary sponsorship + event booth $2,500 Hackaday Supercon Monetary sponsorship + event booth $30,000 Rails World Monetary sponsorship + event booth €24,000 Hack Club Facilitated donation $87,000 Linux Foundation Monetary sponsorship $5,000/year Hyprland Monetary sponsorship €7,200/year LVFS Monetary sponsorship $10,000/year Arch Linux Monetary sponsorship $5,000/year Debian Monetary sponsorship $5,000/year CachyOS Monetary sponsorship $3,000/year Bazzite Monetary sponsorship $3,000/year NixOS Monetary sponsorship €2592/year FreeBSD Monetary sponsorship $5,000/year NetBSD Monetary sponsorship $2,500/year KDE Monetary sponsorship €10,000/year wether they still support omarchy or not is kinda irrelevant because rails world (which is in your list) is run by the same guy
Why might Framework want to sponsor Rails World? Everything else in that list makes sense to me, as they are software projects that can have a direct effect on a user’s experience witn Framework hardware. But Rails World is all about a web development framework, right? That is like, three degrees of separation from Framework hardware. Donating to Rails World sounds to me like just a roundabout way to keep donating to Omarchy without having to say “we are donating to Omarchy”.
I did not know that, updated my comment accordingly.
I’m not in the rails community, so this was news to me.
Do the organizations run by that guy further fascist goals, or is the issue that they are led by a fascist?
On this site, they are one and the same. Judging from the website, though, it’s just a conference about Ruby on Rails.
You mean to say that people on this site are claiming that individuals with publicly stated agendas and goals might possibly use the fiscal and/or reputational benefits of the organisations they control to aid in the furthering of whatever goals/agendas they may have?
Point me in their direction, i shall have words…big ones…like wherewithal …or extrapolation…prestidigitation…etc.
Clearly these people are buttering their toast with a teaspoon, seems like an incredible leap to me and i bet they couldn’t even provide a single example of this happening in the modern day…illogical plebeians.
Edit : more salt that I’d expect for zero actual counters
Edit : more salt that I’d expect for zero actual counterpoints
You got zero counterpoints because nobody has any interest in sitting through more of you being a smug prick. Please enjoy the smell of your own farts somewhere else, thank you.
Is there a better option for a modular laptop with good Linux support?
to my knowledge no one else really does the upgradeable main board and swappable i/o things… but for repairable and upgradeable linux laptops, I’ve heard good things about tuxedo, slimbook and system76, maybe you could find something good there
then of course there’s always the ol’ reliable Used Thinkpad, which could be better long-term because you’ll certainly find more second-hand pieces for those laptops than for the niche linux manufacturers
Yeah , Lenovo and I think Dell are both coming out with modular laptop. Or get a MNT especially if you’re in E.U. https://shop.mntre.com/
No
I’m out of the loop with this.
From the other reply I saw something about funding a guy who is behind omarchy. What has that guy done to be considered a fascist?
After some digging, is it the hyprland guy, and the drama surrounding it?
Hyprland isn’t really that drama laden these days thue got better moderation and the lead Dev is maybe less of a piece of work.
Omarchy is DHHs baby, DHH is a white supremacist
I was wondering about this. Do you have any resources for what they’ve been up to since their vile “big tent” statements?
the other person who replied to me has a list of organisations/projets framework finances. among those is rails world, which is run by the same guy that does omarchy
The entire premise is a cashgrab for morons that don’t know any better.
I guarantee you, most people with framework laptops have them collecting dust along with their raspberry pis.
You could insinuate that, with some bad will. But how is it with the big names in the market?
Why should I care about that?
Definitely going to get the full width touchpad for my F16, I dont think my wife needs to upgrade her F13 just yet tho
Also tempted by the occulink kit, especially since I could use my current 7700S with it
Is there a proper Desk Solution for OcuLink target available on the market?
Everything that I saw is rather flimsy:
- No proper mounting for the GPU to keep it securely in place
- No enclosure to protect it from outside effects (cat putting its Paq into the Fan)
- Need to “trick” the ATX/SFX PSU into supplying power by jumpers
Just use the OCuP4V2 dock, it has the proper mount to secure the GPU and the PSU. No enclosure, your cat either need to leave it alone or you will need to be creative.
If you are into eGPU, and is firm about the 13/14 size don’t get the Framework. This “Pro” version is disappointing, not coming with USB 4.2 or TB5, Dell released last year a Dell Pro 14 with 2 TB5, they will probably release more this year and Lenovo will announce their Thinkpad 2026 lineup tomorrow: https://mactivity.lenovo.com.cn/smb/thinkxp-c.html?pmf_group=in-push&pmf_medium=sc&pmf_source=Z00028090T004
This dock does not fix any of the problems I mentioned. It is (like all the others) just a simple metall plate with a PCIe and OcuLink Connector…So again a flimsy solution for tinkerers at best.
Thunderbolt 5 is, from a Performance point of view, a rather inferior solution compared to OcuLink performing in a lot of cases worse. See the testing results from “Try some tech”: https://www.pcgameshardware.de/screenshots/1020x/2025/10/Thunderbolt-5-vs-Oculink-Youtube-Try-Some-Tech-pcgh.jpg Therefor I would rather take the Downside of a non-Hot-plug solution like OcuLink. But I want a proper Docking solution for a Desk and not this “bare metal” stuff we have right now.
What are you about here? “Just a simple metal plate”, what exactly are you expecting? That is exactly the definition of a motherboard or a dock.
The TGX dock from Lenovo is that inside a box.
I never said TB5 is best than Oculink in performance but is better than a TB4 and reduce the gap to Oculink. Good luck with your imaginary eGPU dock and your Framework 13 with limited TB4 port.
Overpriced garbage for people that don’t know any better.
Care to elaborate?
You’ll understand when you’re older.
I am older now. Care to elaborate
Great answer
Im 92 son
