Timmons says he placed a tracker on the police chief’s truck and a surveillance camera on a car wash pointing at city hall where the chief’s office is because the mayor’s signature goes on the chief’s time sheets and he had concerns about them.
“The mayor’s position is not just shaking hands and kissing babies,” Timmons said.
But the mayor says he did not expect officers’ signatures on a bunch of resignation letters and did not expect the entire full-time Milner police department to resign effective Wednesday, Oct. 28.
The mayor wants to and says he’ll be able to keep a police department. In the meantime, the sheriff will patrol.
Milner Police Chief Lamar Bunn says he’s done nothing wrong.
So mass surveillance is perfectly fine, because it helps detect crime. Even if it doesn’t detect a single crime over the course of 20 years.
But surveillance for police officers is bad, even if it immediately detects crime?
So the cops are fine with surveiling the populace, but when somebody does it to them they’re suddenly all butthurt? What a surprise.
When their boss tracks government property to check his time claims no less.
Bye, you whiny thieving pigs.
Sometimes the trash just takes itself out
On one hand, having your boss micromanage the hell out of you and kind of stalk you is insane.
On the other hand, that’s what cops do daily to everyone with ALPR’s. I’m not sure where to put my rage on this one lol. How’s it feel to be treated the way you treat others?
I used to be a delivery driver for a wholesale bakery. The van was rigged to text my boss every time I went over 55MPH. This was years ago. The fact that there isn’t a similar level of surveillance on police is wild
There typically is on cruisers. There isn’t on their personal vehicles they take to the office.
Why are the police upset? Do they have something to hide?
Yes. All of them, obviously.
I mean the resigned before they could he fired, so…
Problem took care of itself.
Restructure and rehire. When one door shuts…
Doesn’t have to be about oppression anymore. Today’s police force is a relic of the lynch mob era. The mob became the police.
To anyone reading this: this user isn’t being hyperbolic. Go listen to the 6-part series on cops by Behind the Bastards
Oh, do cops not like being surveiled and held accountable? That’s crazy yo.
Perfect opportunity to clean house.
Sounds like a win win for the public
Looks like they just did. I see this as an absolute win.
Nah, I’m with the police on this one
This is a micromanager using trackers and cameras to watch exactly when the police chief is, and isn’t, in his office
Fuck that. I don’t care who you are, your boss shouldn’t be managing by stalking you
If the mayor was worth anything, he’d be managing the chief based on results, not how long he was in the office
Nah fuck the police. They are able to just randomly shoot innocent people, access tracking technology that lets them know everything any specific person does and rarely, if ever, answer to anyone. They like watching everyone, they can deal with someone watching them to make sure they’re doing their damn jobs
This only is somewhat reasonable if police have salaries that cannot obtain overtime.
That’s not how police are structured in the US, especially in red states. Police in the US can receive overtime, therefore, there should be some basic check on whether or not they’re actually doing anything, or even showing up for the time they state.
People with the power to kill members of the public HAVE to answer to someone elected by the public (IMHO). Far too many police forces answer to NO ONE and tell their mayor/city council to kick rocks. That is dangerous and intolerable.
The article clearly states that the police movements were tracked because their time sheets were suspect.
In a city/state/country with functional oversight, this wouldn’t be a problem and these lengths wouldn’t be necessary, but apparently they are.
What did the police do wrong that caused them to resign?
The watchers don’t like being watched. The irony.
Cops love warrantless search until someone has the audacity to use it against them.
Uh oh somebody is upset they can’t commit fraud and steal taxpayer dollars anymore.
Tracking state property should be the norm, actually?
Principle of least privilege shouldn’t allow the mayor to be privy to that information.
That is NOT fucking least privileged access, don’t make shit up.
Source: work in security for 15+ years. I know bullshit when I smell it.
What part of the mayor’s job is keeping track of assets?
Um that’s what an elected mayor should do. Ensure that there isn’t fraud, waste and abuse.
Some random police employee is probably responsible for inventory management. But the police chief is responsible for that employee and the mayor is responsible for the chief. So if the mayor believes that assets are being misused they have a responsibly to try and figure it out or they become culpable to misused assets. The lack of top down process ownership is a problem these days. Responsibility rarely rolls uphill but it should.
I think you’ll find the comment I responded to was saying tracking state property should be the norm.
I’ll further guess you’ll find that companies have departments for asset protection.
And if you’ll stay with me once more. The security team can reference surveillance to check if timesheets are being falsified.
Now to reiterate: at no point was the mayor involed in seeing the actual data rather they would make a request to the relevant parties.
So how do you think a mayor should deal with police lying on their timesheets?
They don’t need this to do that.
Ask security to check the cameras to see if they are leaving early or showing up late. Ask them about login times to see if people are signing in or out early.
Ask whomever tracks the cars to see if they are being signed in or out at odd times. Even asking them just for a list of times a specific car was signed in or out.
At both of these points there is a person who decides whether the mayor should be allowed specific information given their duties. (In the OP example it’s for a time sheet that they manage). Also note, both of these provide less information than the OP.
Abolish the police with one easy step!
Seriously, who knew it took this little? A GPS tracker and a camera? JFC, what are we waiting for?!!?!
A mayor with even a single vertebra in their spine when it comes to cops.
TLDR: The cops appear to have been fudging their time sheets to get money for nothing from the city and taxpayers.
But I can appreciate the amount of oversight this mayor unilaterally decided to enforce on behalf of constituents. Kinda sucks that we can’t get this kind of institutional oversight except on a super-local scale.
The article provides no evidence the chief was lying about hit time. There was a tracker and camera, and even the mayor isn’t claiming to have collected any proof of fraud
This is the mayor:
Right is right and wrong is wrong. … I turned my life over to Jesus 15 years ago, I’m a recovering drug addict, and I turned my life to Jesus
The mayor comes across as a paranoid addict who treats everyone else like an addict who can’t be trusted
TLDR: The cops appear to have been fudging their time sheets to get money for nothing from the city and taxpayers.
Do you have anything to substantiate your claim here?
Separately, it feels very dishonest that you presented it as a TLDR of the article, when the article doesn’t make this claim
Do you have anything to substantiate your claim here?
IMO police corruption is so common in this country that the burden of proof is on the cops to prove they’re not corrupt. As far as I can tell, “lack of accountability” is the main reason people have been getting into the profession (evidence: lower and lower rates of people becoming police officers ever since Ferguson in 2014).
His constituents are aware of his past and still chose him to represent their values. He shouldn’t have to walk on eggshells for the rest of his life.
Timmons says he placed a tracker on the police chief’s truck and a surveillance camera on a car wash pointing at city hall where the chief’s office is because the mayor’s signature goes on the chief’s time sheets and he had concerns about them.
Read closer next time.
@Taldan@lemmy.world is not inaccurate, all they are saying is this isn’t cut and dry, and you should keep reading:
Milner Police Chief Lamar Bunn says he’s done nothing wrong.
He says his job is not confined to a building, a vehicle or the city limits, that he’s worked remotely at times on administrative matters, emails, for instance, monitoring the radio and more.
And Bunn says his boss, the city administrator, knows how he works.
“My job doesn’t stop when I leave the office,” he said.
The Mayor is a former alcoholic who thinks he’s always right because he found religion.
And if this was anyone other than an officer, Lemmy would be in an uproar about invasion of privacy and in-office requirements.
And if this was anyone other than an officer, Lemmy would be in an uproar about invasion of privacy and in-office requirements.
Yeah, because that’s a very important detail that can’t be ignored.
And I might think you have a point but for the mass resignation. It’s common practice here in the US for cops to just take a job in another department when they get themselves into trouble. These frauds probably already have new gigs lined up.
