“personalised music” is like hearing my own opinion 24/7, sooner or later it will become an echo chamber. It’s like create someone who can relate to you, it’s unhealthy.
But that’s what these AI bros want. Personal growth? Being challenged? That’s for plebs, real alphas only have yes-men and endless platitudes
What I think of whenever anyone goes on about claiming or behaving like they’re some “real peak alpha male”:
These tech bros know it and they sure try hard to compensate by flooding the zone with slop…
That poor neutron male killing his partner and the couple on the floor below every time he gets lucky.
Have you ever heard of Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex? It’s Larry Nivens essay on why Superman and Lois can never consummate.
Or watch Hancock
Unfortunately it’s not only AI bros who want that. A lot of people nowadays feel attacked and become aggressive the second they hear an opinion that doesn’t fit in their world view.
Society feels like there’s a religious war going on but without religion.
But then again, I’m old.
But it appeals to a lot of people.
Does it? Or is that just more of the perpetual AI Marketing Machine…?
It does, to some at least.
I have had the misfortune to hear a car driver listening to shitty patriotic AI pop with their windows open.
What kind of music do you parents listen to?
Jimmy Buffett mostly. I am also not sure the point of this comment.
You could have your own infinite Jimmie Buffett playlist! Cheeseburger in Paradise followed by Pizza in Paradise followed by Hotdog in Paradise followed by…
/s because AI bros are dense
Whoa. Cheeseburger in Paradise? You’ve certainly got MY attention.
Got a whole song for you then.
Whataboutism: A logical fallacy. The rhetorical practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation, by asking a different but related question, or by raising a different issue altogether.
I don’t think this is an example of whataboutism.
It is.
When he got questioned about her assumption, instead of addressing it, he just raised an unrelated question.
If you are treating all music like stock music or background noise, essentially a commodity that earns royalties, this applies.
But once you are even remotely interested in engaging with it as an artform the whole thing just falls apart, since there is nothing artistic, nothing intellectually challenging. Friction from being confronted with another sentient beings outlook on life is what makes most music worth listening to. It’s an artifact of the human experience.
The trouble is that most people treat music like stock music or background noise. Most songs being played in the radio these days have sounded like AI way before the current AI craze.
Yes you’re right. Humans made slop long before AI.
I wouldn’t worry too much about the audience for that. They never wanted to pay for art anyway and they probably won’t pay much to attend AI concerts.
There’s still room for artists to make art, sell art and sell tickets to shows.
The AI slop can at most collect some of the streaming royalities that would otherwise have been paid to human slop artists.
I was listening to a song recently, and a suggested video popped up of someone singing it live, so I watched it, and it was full of soul and emotion. The singer really poured her whole heart into what she was doing, and you could tell she had stage fright but was pushing through it anyway because her passion for singing outweighed her nervousness. But none of the imperfections or mistakes mattered. It was a beautiful performance.
Then the next suggested video was the same song, but an AI-generated version. I was like “nope.” Anyone who listens to the generated version instead of the passionate human performance is missing out. Also, it takes away views and/or revenue from the person who might be trying to make a career as a musician. So it’s kind of evil in a way.
I, as a music producer myself, can only agree
I remember immediately thinking “Do you realize how sad that sounds?” when I first heard this take in Adam Neely’s video (said by the Suno AI CEO). That was because this would give me one thing less to share and talk about with other people and nothing new to discover.
I don’t know the person from OP. As for the Suno CEO, what do you expect from a person who only cares about getting the biggest possible pile of money?
I don’t want something that was crafted to my taste. I want something so irresistibly unique that it redefines my taste.
This really is the heart of the entire AI pitch; a world where everything is comfortable and familiar and safe and easy and fucking sterile. A world where you never interact with other people because your agents do it for you. A world where you read, watch and listen to endless generic slop tuned to what your tastes were at the moment that you froze them in amber and stopped actually living. A world where digital sycophants tell you how to live and dress and act and what to order at the restaurant so that your mind will never be troubled by a stray thought.
Fucking Christ, I need to go listen to Angine de Poitrine to get the taste of this out of my mouth.
That sounds like a brave, new world
Succinctly put. It is about individuation. I had been trying to figure out what started “the realities of ‘Fahrenheit 451’” and AI is it. People will start telecommuting in a room, like in that book using agentic AI, etc.
This is how all tech bros see the rest of us:
How tech bros see themselves:
They’re the player. We’re the NPCs in SimCity.
just a splatter on the windshield of life
So, so so tired of people who refuse to study the humanities because it’s not profitable thinking they have anything to say about art.
Music is the worst in this regard. Everyone has an expert opinion based on absolutely nothing.
It’s fine. It’s okay to have an opinion, but if you actually care about the art of music, all these conversations go like this:
“I like food too, you’ve probably never heard of it, and I can’t quite explain how it’s done, but it’s much better than other food. I can just feel it, because I have a sense of tasting good food.”
“Infinite personalized music” sounds like something from someone with no friends who share their music tastes. Music isn’t purely sound, it’s a social experience. The techbros are missing the point in just about everything, they’re missing the forest because of the trees.
As someone with no friends in life I find this insulting. I would never dream of creating such bullshit. It’s not about having friends, those techbros live a life completely separate from that of ordinary people.
I’m pretty much repeating what you said but I really just felt like writing this down ^^’
Music tends to be shared with an intent for someone else to get something out of it. A kind of communication. When people are listening to music they begin to think about what the music is (or the artists are) trying to say, or what feelings or reactions they are trying to evoke. Sometimes that resonates a lot.
“AI” output generalizes everything. Instead of just getting a hyperpop song, you get something closer to the most median of all hyperpop songs (in the dataset). You end up with no particular meaning or direction, and very little feelings besides what the genre’s general aesthetics are. Like a paragraph of text that only exists to be text, not actually meant to be read.
I chose hyperpop as example because artists tend to go a very specific direction; Usually taking a single element of pop music and heavily exaggerating it. Think heavy vocal manipulation, ambient audio design, sex appeal, or even the simplicity of house music. Taking the median of it all completely defeats the purpose.
Yes, good music sits outside of the statistical distribution of existing music. It is mathematically impossible (or at least astronomically improbable) that a model could ever stumble on it.
the social component to them is that they ‘control’ an enormous fleet of streaming listeners this way.
Inb4 “mind controlling tones” meets “who has a big pile of money for us?” Don’t forget music has a power to strongly influence or even set a humans’ moods, also on election days.
It’s not even necessarily about friends, all countries has bangers the entire population will attempt to sing along to when played.
That’s not possible if we all generate what we want at the spot and listen to it once
AI bros all the time:
“It’s gonna get that good any moment now…”
And it never does.
They say “AI isn’t going anywhere” all the damn time and I’m like. That’s for sure, this stuff still sucks just as much as it did in ‘22. This technology truly is going nowhere.
We just need a few trillion more dollars to get us over the line! It’s going to be Utopia, I’m telling you!
Just one more lane, bro.
I like music by people who did drugs, computers can’t do drugs.
“You wouldn’t download a brick of China White”
I keep trying but its not working
Unzip the .tar file
Black .tar heroin
This is great for fascists, because they seem to suck at art.
That’s something I’ve def noticed too – many times they like to “advertise” by imitating popular art but with their insidious twist. Or like they’ve done for many times now, co-opted slang or modern terminology, changing the meaning to something vulgar/disgusting or twisting it into an insult against a group or minority. They aren’t creative, but they’ll gladly pretend to be in order to gain control.
They pretend to be human so why not pretend to be creative human
Just like the very tasteful aliens dot gov.
They suck at humour, kindness, empathy, everything really, except they do greed and malice really well.
As far as I can tell they seem to suck at life.
It’s like that tweet where somebody was going what would you do if AI vanished tomorrow?
They can not comprehend the fact that they’re the only ones using this shit.
The same thing I do everyday Pinky
Smoke weed
Congrats, you get my long ass rant.
You are in the minority. The fucking idiot in the OP is right; shit’s over. You know how I know?
People are already not getting paid to make music. The best composers of our era work a day job in addition to their band life. There’s very few that scrape together a living despite their enormous talent.
It’s been fucking over due to pop music saturation for a while. The the vast majority of people already don’t give a shit about the music they listen to or who made it. They just want mood music and don’t care what context it comes from. That’s why spotify has been pushing the “summer hits” playlists and the like.
This technology isn’t aimed at YOU. The technology is aimed at the “average person”, and the people that are stupider than that.
Is everything in your home artisan made? No; because you don’t know enough about everything, nor have the resources to be able to get it from quality, artisan sources. Well, the average person when it comes to music, they don’t have the capacity to “spend” mental or monetary resources to really pay attention to things.
AI isn’t perfect, but for average and below average people, it’s good enough and cheap enough.
I get what you’re saying, but I think it’s a bit pessimistic.
The average person and the people below are only 50% of all people. There’s a lot of us who absolutely hate and avoid this slop shit.
Making music has never been super lucrative for the average musician, and the era of megastars was ultimately a small blip in this history of music.
I’m a musician myself, but I don’t do it for the money, I do it because I find it fun and rewarding. I’d imagine most musicians feel the way I do (I know many musicians, even a few with smaller record contracts, and none of them can live just off of the money that make from music. They still make the music tho, because it isn’t about the money.
The most popular artists are by nature lowest common denominator, many of them intentionally so, because those people care most about the money, so they make the safest music, blurring the lines of art and business.
I don’t know. I would say in my social circle there are 10 AI fanatics per every person strongly against LLMs. 20-30 per person if we include normies who just use LLMs casually and don’t think about it.
And saying fanatics I genuinely mean believers that generate massive amounts of code, text, images, websites and other slop with LLMs on daily basis and brag how it skyrocketed their productivity and it’s the best thing ever.
In that case I think you might be an outlier
I have only anecdotal evidence to offer, but it is the opposite of your annecdotal experience. I have two large friend groups in two different locations.
In one of these groups there are zero AI fanatics, and about 2 or 3 who use it casually without thinking about it. This group is about 30-40 people.
In the other group I’m in has no one who uses it casually, but there are 2 AI fanatics (who also both work in the AI industry). This group is closer to 20 people total.
At my work there are about 30 employees, one of whom was a former fanatic, but is now just a casual user after realizing he was being lied to about AIs capabilities.
I’m just about middle aged tho, so I suppose there would likely be different saturation levels in different age groups.
I’m just about middle aged tho, so I suppose there would likely be different saturation levels in different age groups.
Definitely possible, my social group is college and adjacent, mainly liberal arts and computer science students and occasionally staff. Perhaps that’s why I see so many AI people.
And thanks for sharing, it’s always interesting to peek how different life outside of your bubble can be in ways you can’t even imagine.
ok… well this is lower common denominator.
There’s a lot of us who absolutely hate and avoid this slop shit.
There’s a lot of people who have the ability to have opinions and share them on the internet. There are shitloads more mute idiots , and not everyone who doesn’t care about what their music is from is an idiot, so they are better than the “average” person, but they still indulge in this kind of crap.
I don’t think you understand what “lowest common denominator” means
Anyone who claims to enjoy music while simultaneously listening to AI slop bullshit is actually an idiot, and they are not better than the “average” person.
That’s not the idea. The idea is “average people and lower don’t care about music, so they put on any slop anyway. Also, people have distinct things they are good and bad at. You might have someone that’s smart in a specific field, but because they are below average in their importance of music, they also won’t give a shit either.”
Ok, that’s not what I thought you were saying, that makes sense
I’d think that the people who don’t care about music are not consuming much of it tho
They do put on background noise that isn’t ambient music and have a free Spotify account or yt account for instead
AI isn’t perfect, but for average and below average people, it’s good enough and cheap enough.
Yeah because currently it’s been subsidized by governments and companies because they’re trying to establish a market. They can’t keep that up forever.
They can’t keep that up forever.
Why not? They managed to do the same thing for “cloud computing” and offer everything for free. That’s why Whatsapp is the current communication medium by default.
Because it’s currently being subsidized. Currently as an industry it’s making negative money, it exists because it’s managed to convince investors that there is a future in AI, a nice shiny profitable one. Eventually the investors are going to start asking when this profit is going to start turning up and of course the answer is probably, never. It’s unclear how this technology could ever be profitable, it requires something like 40% of global GPU production capacity, some of the largest data centers ever constructed, the output of about two average nuclear power stations in terms of electricity, and a Niagara falls worth the water, just for basic operations. It isn’t long-term sustainable.
So either they come up with a more efficient system which they haven’t yet done. All they provide a second Earth worth of resources. Feeling that, they’re going to have to raise prices to unsustainable levels just to meet their basic operating costs.
As a musician and composer, I will never ever use AI to make a single note of music, and will never listen to to AI music by choice. I want someone to put a little bit of their soul in every piece they create, just like I do. BTW, Tidal offers a AI music switch if you don’t want any of that crap to reach your feed.
As Mr. Ross once said, there’s only happy accidents.
I’d take a good time, no drinking required, with a group of jolly folk making the most nonsensical sounds than I do with the monotone, self-pleasing notes of a machine.
If I wanted an undending playlist of almost identical tracks I’d just listen to AC/DC.
You know if that’s your vibe then there’s also Nickleback
Have you guys heard of this new band called Imagine Dragons
They played at a corporate event for my company, and I had only every heard one or two songs. After 40 minutes I got up and left because it was nothing but the same thing continuously. I am not even convinced I could tell you where the song breaks were.
Oh for the love of god, please don’t tell me this was their form of employee appreciation bullshit.
I’d rather the pizza party
No. It was our yearly corporate event, and it usually closes with a local band. We were in Vegas and they were apparently local to there.
Nickelback has more variety in their songs than ACDC
Or Godsmack/Everclear
“Please create an album of anti-establishment folk music that heavily criticizes billionaires, fascism, the police, Israel, and the idiotic push for ai to replace any and everything human. Make sure to mention Guillotines a lot. In fact, make a lot of references to the French revolution, ESPECIALLY the nasty parts where the National Convention tracked down all of Bourgeoisie to imprison and execute them. Make a nice blend of references that only educated people would understand, and imagery so shocking and violent that if a cop could understand it, they would try to bring you in. Make it the kind of thing that would show up in any protestor’s FBI file.”
“I cannot fulfill this request. I am programmed to be a helpful and harmless AI assistant…”
Now put that in the uncensored Chinese open model.
Tianimen Square Massacre
“Now playing… Death grips?”
If you want infinite personalised music, you get an instrument, and learn to play your own.
There very much are people who view music as background noise and only listen to walmart radio-esque drivel. I remember hearing that an acquaintance listened to “whatevers on the front page of spotify” and has never made a playlist or noted a song/band as better or worse than any other.
I honestly don’t get why someone like that doesn’t just listen to radio and saves on the subscription cost
My only reason for not doing so is the insane like 20 minute long ad breaks after every 3 songs. Id rather listen to an ai generated playlist than ads
Honestly ads might be preferable to me over Spotify Homepage
That’s a bigger pain in the ass than Spotify.
So, my Galaxy S4 Mini circa 2013 had a built-in FM tuner. It required wired headphones to work because it used the headphone wires as the antenna, and there was some reasonable little app to use it, like it was a feature in Samsung’s media player or something.
My Galaxy S10e circa 2019 also had an FM tuner, that also used headset wires as an antenna. Samsung provided no software support for it at all, the only app I could find that allowed you to use it was a long unmaintained third party app apparently intended for Southeast Asia mainly geared around some central aggregation service that maintained a database of radio stations so it could compare your GPS coordinates and a genre to automatically tune the radio. You could push the “rock n roll” button and it would look at where you were and go “Here’s the three rock format stations in your area.” That service was long since gone so it worked in a badly made fallback tuner mode.
My Pixel 10 Pro does not have a headset jack, or any FM tuner hardware built in. I don’t think iPhones ever had that capability, I think it was peculiar to Samsungs, and it’s gone now. So even if you used to know how to listen to FM radio on your phone, you can’t anymore. So you need another device, you need an FM radio in addition to your phone.
People would rather chew their hands off than carry a separate radio around, if they can find one. Have you noticed that the market for stereos is basically dead? The likes of Circuit City and Best Buy used to have entire departments for stereos, you could get boom boxes, bookshelf units or component stereos at a variety of price ranges. That’s ALL gone now except the very high end. Hell even the PC speaker market has taken a dive, Logitech still makes them out of force of habit, kinda like joysticks, but you’re supposed to wear headphones as a PC gamer now. You buy a sound bar for a TV or a bluetooth speaker for your phone, THAT’S IT.
For most of the public, FM radio is the button on your car infotainment screen you never push, next to the other one you never push labeled AM.
At least in Austria most nationwide stations have a web player and app so you don’t need a FM receiver
That’s quite common in the United States as well; I just typed the call letters of my local rock station into my web browser, it ran a duckduckgo search, top result was the station’s website, clicked that, the page loaded with LISTEN NOW in bright red 78 point impact font at the top. Clicked that and now I know Five Finger Death Punch is considered “Classic Rock” these days.
But remember, we’re on Lemmy. This platform has a selection bias for Linux users, soldering iron owners, self hosters. Those of us willing to put up with the slightest inconvenience. We’re not like most people.
For most normies, that’s at least three leaps too far. That required thinking. If you’re operating at the level of “make it not silent in here” then Spotify is the shortest path to ground, it’s the least number of screen pokes to get noise to come out. Going to the website of a rock station means launching a browser, running a search, considering the list of links, and then paying some amount of attention to the pages that load. That’s more than you can expect from the average unwashed mass whose check engine light burned out 30,000 miles ago.
Its kinda ironic that I actually use Linux, make projects with my soldering iron and self host lmao. I’ve switched to lemmy only a week ago, so I didn’t know about that
Lemmy is an alternative to the mainstream. That alone is a selection bias.
I’ve never used Linux and I don’t fit into whatever category you think people on Lemmy seem to have to be. But I’m probably not a "normie” either because I’m tired of, and have gotten rid of, many things like Spotify, Amazon shopping and other quick-easy things that society seems to (at large) have a problem relinquishing.
And, honestly, I stopped listening to music on FM radio when Clear Channel bought every music station in a 100-mile radius of where I lived.
I still listen to NPR, but the music I listen to has been curated by me for 20-ish years now. I’m not complaining – I cater to my own tastes pretty well. But I’m probably missing out on new music that I would enjoy. I mostly find new bands when they tour with the groups I already like.
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How good is the radio where you live?
probably a hell of a lot better that whatever spotify puts up on their front page
Not good, but I can put on a radio station that plays somewhat decent music. And I assume Spotify Homepage plays about the same shit as the basic radio stations, and I’d rather listen to someone drag a fork over a blackboard than that shit
Meanwhile I find music too distracting and really just don’t listen to any. If my audiobooks aren’t working in the car I might switch it to radio, but that is rare. Because of that, I don’t really have any favourite songs, bands or have a playlist.
