Thanks, but that guy doesn’t sound like he knows what he was talking about.
He literally admitted that he had to get “information” from grok, and he never fact checked it.
There was no attempt to find or disable cameras, microphones, seat pressure sensors, etc. Those cars he “disabled” are probably still collecting all of the data and storing it locally. Just waiting for a dealer to plug it in to upload everything.
We really need just one person with car hacking skills to document how to disable the sensors (and then do a forensic analysis to confirm the data is no longer being collected). Then we’ll all have at least one privacy car.
It was an example, there are deeper dive videos also, and links to kits to buy that bypasses the units but tells the car things are still fine.
Agreed we do nerd better hacking, but then Auto companies would sue
But that’s only for companies selling the hacking as a paid service. There is zero standing to sue a guy hacking his own car and providing the info for free on the Internet (or, eg, at defcon).
It’s not, I take things apart and repair them all the time. Those VOID stickers mean nothing. However the DMCA is expliclit on decryption, and that would be what they’d charge people with.
The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (“DMCA”) makes it illegal to circumvent technical measures (e.g., encryption, copy protection) that prevent access to copyrighted materials, such as computer software or media content.
Instead it will just store all the data locally and then upload it once it gets the airgap broken when the mechanic plugs it in.
The only safe solution here is to remove the sensors that collect the data. But I haven’t yet found aftermarket guides on how to do this with any major new car.
Thanks, but that guy doesn’t sound like he knows what he was talking about.
He literally admitted that he had to get “information” from grok, and he never fact checked it.
There was no attempt to find or disable cameras, microphones, seat pressure sensors, etc. Those cars he “disabled” are probably still collecting all of the data and storing it locally. Just waiting for a dealer to plug it in to upload everything.
We really need just one person with car hacking skills to document how to disable the sensors (and then do a forensic analysis to confirm the data is no longer being collected). Then we’ll all have at least one privacy car.
Had anyone published a guide on how to strip these sensors yet?
Yes there’s a YouTube video for various disable techniques via fuses or jumper wire kits. Such as this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e09Kjj2awG0
Thanks, but that guy doesn’t sound like he knows what he was talking about.
He literally admitted that he had to get “information” from grok, and he never fact checked it.
There was no attempt to find or disable cameras, microphones, seat pressure sensors, etc. Those cars he “disabled” are probably still collecting all of the data and storing it locally. Just waiting for a dealer to plug it in to upload everything.
We really need just one person with car hacking skills to document how to disable the sensors (and then do a forensic analysis to confirm the data is no longer being collected). Then we’ll all have at least one privacy car.
It was an example, there are deeper dive videos also, and links to kits to buy that bypasses the units but tells the car things are still fine. Agreed we do nerd better hacking, but then Auto companies would sue
Right to repair prevents these sorts of law suits
But that’s only for companies selling the hacking as a paid service. There is zero standing to sue a guy hacking his own car and providing the info for free on the Internet (or, eg, at defcon).
Only thing they can do is void your warranty
They will claim decryption of proprietary code or something that violates Digital Rights Controls
People do that all the time. It’s not illegal to reverse engineer something you own (at least in the US).
It might be illegal to sell something from what you’ve reverse engineered
It’s not, I take things apart and repair them all the time. Those VOID stickers mean nothing. However the DMCA is expliclit on decryption, and that would be what they’d charge people with.
You could just pull out the LTE/IoT module, and disconnect the service…
Whether that will have major down sides for the usability of the vehicle is the big question.
No, that won’t work.
Instead it will just store all the data locally and then upload it once it gets the airgap broken when the mechanic plugs it in.
The only safe solution here is to remove the sensors that collect the data. But I haven’t yet found aftermarket guides on how to do this with any major new car.
YouTube for disabling on various models. Data removal is another issue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e09Kjj2awG0
Thanks, but that guy doesn’t sound like he knows what he was talking about.
He literally admitted that he had to get “information” from grok, and he never fact checked it.
There was no attempt to find or disable cameras, microphones, seat pressure sensors, etc. Those cars he “disabled” are probably still collecting all of the data and storing it locally. Just waiting for a dealer to plug it in to upload everything.
We really need just one person with car hacking skills to document how to disable the sensors (and then do a forensic analysis to confirm the data is no longer being collected). Then we’ll all have at least one privacy car.
Indeed, how do we remove this too :(. Crazy how many hoops we have to jump on things we “own”