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This is just the latest in a series of vibe-coding caused bugs, Spotify famously claimed their best devs were no longer writing any of their own code:
Tidal is better
I went back to Winamp last year and don’t regret it at all.
Signs your business model has truly failed.
Time to switch to Qobuz then. Goodbye Spotify.
Again? Lol
Just a heads up, Deezer has been working hard to improve their UI a great deal. It is so much less stressful to navigate than Spotify. Sound quality is also better to me. And not being forced to mix music with ad-infused podcasts is so very nice.
Deezer played ICE recruitment ads last year on their service.
why is it stressful? you search for the track, and you click play.
No. It’s just the principle of not supporting fascist enabling bootlickers
Now I have a problem with this statement in a vacuum.
Zero: I am based in Germany. So not as many dystopian laws and decisions as in the USA
First: Yes, Spotify bad, Hooray Jellyfin, ripping CDs and owning the media you have. Also good for the artists.
Second: I had ads played to me. But it only happened on podcasts.
Third: I had talked to the Spotify support: https://imgur.com/a/Ulis7Oe
(TLDR: Podcast publishers (e.g. LTT with their WANshow or Dallas Taylor with 20 Thousand Hertz) can decide if they want to play ads. They happened to me inbetween episodes)So yeah. Now it would be very interesting what this random person encountered where.
My wife and daughter had heard ads sparingly and they only listen to music. I assumed it was some sort of bug because it is very infrequent, but with today’s corps I should probably invoke the inverse of Hanlon’s Razor and just assume malice.
Hanlon's RazorWhose Hanlon and why do you need his razor? It’s more hygienic to buy one from the store
I’ve been using YT music anyway, but I recently started using my Navidrome server by just yt-dlp’ing albums + tag with MusicBrainz picard and boom. A bunch of songs I can own until my server burns down.
I feel a little bad about pirating, but I’m a college student who hasn’t even gotten a job yet… But I will be buying merch or music off bandcamp in the future when I know I have the budget for it!
Bandcamp is very nice!
I recommand monochrome(.)tf, it’s basically Tidal for free so it has much better quality than YouTube
Why do people even use Spotify at this point?
They have far more niche music than anyone else. I mean that from a Finnish perspective.
Their search function and recommendations are really good. Other than that, no idea. Convenience
Sharing and creating playlists with friends. Discovering new music. Endless playlists of high quality for all genres and moods. Family plan is cheap.
Song-based radios for new music discovery on a service where they don’t silently drop huge swaths of music from my curated “liked” list. Tidal, Qobuz, and Bandcamp failed to meet this requirement in different ways.
Spotify isn’t even good, but I don’t have another real option yet.
It’s still been cheaper than the alternatives if you buy for multiple people, and has most of my native country’s artists at this point. I’d like to switch, but I’m worried the other services don’t offer enough finnish music, and just couple euros more is a lot of money when you are poor.
Of course you could say “don’t pay for these if you’re poor”, but it’s the only subscription I’m paying for, and I feel like abandoning every single thing that can still bring me joy is kinda asking for my depression peak so I’m back to trying to hang myself again.Though the moment I hear adds or the price increases again, I’ll obviously switch immediately
Convenience of instant access to gazillion songs, though i’m not sure if the average spotify user even listens to anything other than top-lists
I used to use Spotify but got sick of their recommendations. Vastly different genre playlists would still get top100 songs recommended. Sabrina Carpenter in all my playlists.
I moved to Pandora, their recommendation engine is way less biased. Fewer features in the app, tho
FYI Pandora was playing ICE recruitment ads on their service last year.
Back when I was on spotify I listened to premade playlists very rarely since I pretty much always knew what I wanted to listen to and because I’m very picky. The "This is [x] playlists were pretty good though
The Convenience aspect kind of goes away when you factor in alternatives like YouTube music, apple music or soundcloud
It’s a bug, not a change of policy
Had it happen to me on Family: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/25040771
The minute I have ads in my paid subscription it’s a cancel
Exactly why I canceled Amazon Prime. 100% would recommend canceling. I don’t miss it.
Likewise. I’ve been putting off setting up a Soulseek+Navidrome stack on my home server. I’m sure there’s a way to integrate ListenBrainz suggestions too. First ad I hear, I’m doing it.
Can’t talk about navidrome, but jellyfin has a listenbrainz plugin :)
I use Jellyfin for video but it doesn’t strike me as the best for audio…
I use Navidrome and scrobble to ListenBrainz and Last.fm for suggestions. I’ve recently learnt about Sonobarr but haven’t tried it yet.
It’s not as seamless as playing a song/artist station on spotify or just letting it decide what to continue with at the end of a playlist, but it’s also free (in both ways!).
Thanks a lot for the tips!
Soulseek for the win what is navidrome, i’m unfamiliar.
It’s a self-hosted music streaming server. Basically a build-your-own-Spotify. Available as a Docker image.
I have heard this before from rando Reddit posts where it turns out they were listening to podcasts that just had the ads baked into the broadcast.
Nope. Had it happen to me: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/25040771
TLDR: I know it because the ads were German but the podcast is in English.
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TLDR: I know it because the ads were German but the podcast is in English.
That can still happen and happens to me too, despite using a no-ad FOSS player, so the ads are definitely from the podcast, not the player.
Dynamic ad insertion is absolutely a thing in podcasts. If you access/download the MP3 file on the server from a German IP address, a German ad will be put in at the specified ad break before you/your player downloads the file.So a different language ad doesn’t mean it’s from Spotify.
(PS: By the way, using a VPN connected to a country where not many companies make podcast ads works basically like a podcast ad blocker. I route my podcast player through an Albania VPN and have like 80% less ads than before. The remainder is “classic” podcast ads that are inserted as a static part of the MP3 file, no way to get rid of those.)
No.
It was literally an ad break done into the stream.
The WAN show does not speak German. And they have their own sponsor section. So no way for anyone other than the creator deciding to insert a ad-break during upload of an episode (or getting it suggested by Spotify).
This is assumedly exactly as YT does it.Yeah I get that but the way I experienced it is that ads can appear in a podcast in any of the following three instances:
- Podcaster themselves record the podcast, may or may not add advertisement (self-spoken in their language)
- Podcast network which the podcaster is a member of adds ad break time codes, in which later ads are inserted, dynamically based on the listener’s location (pre-spoken, usually in the local language of the listener’s location, sometimes personalized)
- The podcast player/platform (Spotify, Pocket casts, antennapod etc) adds advertisements (also pre-spoken and in local or app language, more often personalized)
The podcast player’s ads can not be distinguished from the podcast network’s ads, except that they have a higher tendency for personalized ads (given that personalization is enabled in the privacy settings) or if the player declares it as an advertisement in a place where the podcast can’t. Or if you know that a podcast is on an ad free network. Other than that, you don’t really know if it’s an ad by Spotify or the podcast’s network.
My point is that, unless your player is explicitly declaring an ad as such, you cannot diatinguish a podcast network’s ad from a player ad. The only proof I have to know it’s a network’s ad in my case is that my player is open source and ad free. If I used a closed source commercial player, I wouldn’t know from who the ad is coming when it’s in my local language.
I’m German too and got German ads on english podcasts, but I know that the player didn’t insert it, so you can never be too sure if it’s Spotify adding them either.
They still serve personalized ads in the podcasts. They aren’t baked in.
Love hearing about products and services as I’m listening to my podcast about genocides and warcrimes. Mustard gas really gets me in the mood Blue Apron.
Mmm… Mustard… 🤤
They do serve ads on podcasts. Not all of them though. It used to be that they were separate, so that you were shown a different “now playing” screen. I first noticed when it happened on otherwise ad free shows, like Lateral. Not sure if that’s the case now? Some of the podcasts I listen to jump in length from the episode list to the “now playing” screen, which is weird. Don’t know if it’s because injected ads or not though, or if they’re even from Spotify. I haven’t seen those ads that are on a new “now playing” screen in a while.
And then they wonder why everyone is fixing the hulls of their ships and getting new sails.
Edit: whats family plan these days? 20€/month? My local record shop has new albums for 20€. I’d guess you can find a lot of good stuff on sale for 10€. So might as well buy an album or two per month. In a year you’d already have 12-24 albums. You can make a decent playlist out of those. Do that for a few years and you have a excellent music collection that lasts decades. Spotify is stupid and pointless if you really think about it.
1.: I divide the payment of Family across 3 members.
2.: I listen to so many songs individually, it would bankrupt me to buy every single song individually or the full album.
3.: I’ll buy an album (2nd hand discogs (so good)/ebay, digitally on wherever or bandcamp). If I don’t like the music as much or the buying process is annoying, I’ll pirate the song.So yeah. It depends.
I’ve been saying that for years. Now I have about 250 albums drm-free on Bandcamp. A good chunk of that money went to the people making the music, too.
I know there are people out there paying a subscription to Spotify who listen to the same dozen albums over and over, too.
Yup exactly. Since I still pirate, I haven’t bought albums very actively, only here and there but I have about 120-130 albums in my shelf. I have a friend who uses spotify, he has connected it to Last.fm. I once checked and he’s been scrobbling since 2016… he has 80 unique albums on the list there. Seems like a waste of money, but hey, at least its not my money.
Or self hosting their own Jellyfin
It’s the same thing.
A music collection on your harddive is a joy for you personally for ever
A music collection on a VPS hosting a Jellyfin with accounts for your family and friends is a joy forever for all your family and friends (as long as you pay the hosting fees)
A music collection on your harddive is a joy for you personally for ever
As long as you take care of backups
The hard drive that I bought last year and need for backing up has doubled in price. $500 fucking for 22TB… I have no clue what to do now…
Some consolation that most if not all of your music is backed up on the internet.
Instead of paying monthly for a VPS you could get a mini PC from eBay for 100 dollars and host it yourself
I buy my music from the artists as directly as possible via Band Camp.
