“It's striking, concerning, disappointing, and saddening to think that members of the bar would forward cases to a court that don't exist, and to think that the lawyers on the other side of that didn’t read it for whatever reason, didn’t check it.”
  • I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.worldEnglish
    241·
    6 hours ago

    Judges: expressing mild confusion and concern

    Headlines: Judges RIP INTO lawyers with their BARE TEETH as they can BARELY CONTAIN their EXPLOSIVE FIREY RAGE!!!

    • Telorand@reddthat.comEnglish
      14·
      6 hours ago

      To be fair, mild confusion and concern is the judicial equivalent. Even the diehard maga judges still behave with decorum, even if their ultimate judgments are unhinged.

      There’s a common and expected way to do lawyering. If a judge “expresses concern” towards a lawyer, that’s a big sign that you dun fucked up.

  • rozodru@piefed.worldEnglish
    27·
    8 hours ago

    remember kids GIGO “Garbage In, Garbage Out”.

    the general public just isn’t aware of this. they assume that anything and everything an LLM spits out is fact. Again, the LLM/AI MUST provide a solution. any solution. that solution doesn’t need to be correct or even exist but in order to retain users it will and will consistently and constantly provide a hallucinated solution.

    And in most cases, without their knowledge, the user is also to blame. I can see a lawyer asking an LLM “are there any cases where such and such happened” trying to find something INCREDIBLY specific to what they need and the LLM 8 times out of 10 will say “yes! there is!” and hallucinate a case that the lawyer needs. You see it all the time if you ask Claude with assistance in trouble shooting a specific tech or code problem. “I’m having issues with this and this, can this library or app or program solve this for me?” “Yes! here’s how” and then will tell you something the library or program or whatever can’t even do but you’ve lead it to that direction and it MUST provide a positive retention-able solution.

    Even using AI as it SHOULD be used is no longer good. just using it as a sort of rubber duck doesn’t help anymore because of GIGO. the training data, across ALL LLMs, is so tainted now you might as well take all the money we’re wasting on data centers and tokens and just toss it at the crazy dude outside the bus station and just ask them the same questions.

    • kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.worldEnglish
      8·
      7 hours ago

      Socrates was famously called the ‘gadfly’ because he would pester elites by challenging their supposed wisdom. People that would be highly knowledgeable craftsman, financiers, politicians, etc. would then over estimate their knowledge outside of their realm of expertise and claim to be wise in all things. They would know just enough to sound knowledgeable, but really know very little about what they were talking about (related to the Dunning-Kreuger effect). The takeaway of Socrates’ gadfly work is that sometimes wisdom is acknowledging when you do not know something.

      AI can have a lot of “knowledge” (it doesn’t actually know anything itself, but rather has pattern training and access to data references). But what it doesn’t have… like at all… is wisdom. It doesn’t understand, literally, anything at all. It might have some guard rails up to limit is hallucinations. It might even say, sometimes, that it doesn’t know. But it is just as happy to ramble on with pure and complete nonsense that is all just a stream of patterns training and probabilistic guesswork. If it has a nugget of data or even an entire library related to your prompt, it will present it to you. But it can 100% just fill any gaps or take the response into tangents that are nothing but guess-the-next-word, probability, looks-good-to-me word salad that can contain several “facts” that are nothing but random word associations from its training with no reference for its basis.

      It is a glorified autocorrect. You cannot trust its information blindly, and using it as a tool in this way, especially while staking your fucking law career on it, is goddamned moronic.

  • Toto@lemmy.worldEnglish
    56·
    10 hours ago

    Good. Get the lawyers irritated about the unapologetic use of AI. Maybe their congressional pals will listen to them