Yeah I guess having an actual primary where the party doesn’t just cheat to annoint a donor friendly genocide enthusiast would look too much like democracy for the Democratic party to ever tolerate.
In 2020? Sure, now see the rest of that sentence about the party not cheating to annoint a donor friendly genocide enthusiast.
Or so you think it’s totally normal that 4 people quit the night before Super Tuesday, moving Biden from 6th to first? Or that Warren held on long past the point where she had no chance to ensure the anti establishment vote got split? Certainly the late night phone calls Obama made to every establishment candidate polling ahead of Biden were a coincidence. And the Dem leadership adjacent members who’ve said on the record that Biden was chosen to stop Bernie and not Trump, that’s just regular party squabbles, right?
Do you really think the DNC has run a fair and free primary in the last 10 years?
Blame individuals for quiting. They are the ones that did it. The people you are complaining about were the alternatives to vote for. If the action is so bad then why would you want to vote for them?
I blame the party for offering them inducements to quit and making it know they’d ratfuck anyone who didn’t go along with the plan.
But mostly I blame Blue MAGA cultists who’ve kept their eyes squeezed tight shut any time their party is just as bad as the other one and every time the party has played dirty tricks to keep its donors happy at the expense of its voters. Because y’all are the ones letting them get away with it and continuing to reward the behavior with your vote.
I vote in the primaries and have witnessed vote counting. The process has insane levels of integrity. Again im not sure why you would want to vote for people that do things based on inducements. What happens when they are elected and get corporate inducements. The Blue MAGA term is disengenous since your talking about people trying to keep republicans (maga being their current iteration) which is why im putting an end to this. When someone loses a race they don’t look at the winner and say. I need to not do what they are doing. Ill discuss to some degree but not going to be drawn into an insult contest.
I worked as a volunteer and then paid staffer on Democratic campaigns for a decade. I know good and well the kinds of dirty tricks the party can and does use to ensure the “right” candidate wins a primary. The fact that you don’t want to understand the argument doesn’t invalidate the argument. The Democratic Party exists to give the left flank enough faith in the system to keep them from revolting, they serve no other purpose.
Blue MAGA is a perfectly apt term for the people who put party loyalty above critical thinking. The people who decry Trump’s immigration policy but happily voted for Kamala when she ran on an identical policy. The people who don’t believe that there were kids in cages at the border before and after Trump’s first term bcs that would require accepting that Obama and Biden weren’t much better than Trump. The kinds of people that believe Trump mysteriously appeared out of nowhere and refuse to accept the twin facts that decades of bipartisan neoliberalism made someone like Trump inevitable, and that Hillary Clinton’s campaign allies deliberately pushed their tame media talking heads to normalize Trump, ensuring that the slide to fascism would start in 2016, when it could have been delayed another 10-15 years. The kinds of people who’ll scold people with principles for not voting against those principles rather than blame their party for running a candidate that principled voters could not accept.
When someone loses a race, they shouldn’t look at the comprehensive post mortem of the campaign and decide that since the things it says aren’t acceptable to the donors they’ll ignore it and keep punching left. But they did, and it doesn’t seem to have dampened the enthusiasm of Blue MAGA in the slightest.
Yeah I guess having an actual primary where the party doesn’t just cheat to annoint a donor friendly genocide enthusiast would look too much like democracy for the Democratic party to ever tolerate.
I voted in an actual primary for the biden ticket. Do you actually think multiple primaries in a year are a realistic thing?
In 2024? I doubt it.
In 2020? Sure, now see the rest of that sentence about the party not cheating to annoint a donor friendly genocide enthusiast.
Or so you think it’s totally normal that 4 people quit the night before Super Tuesday, moving Biden from 6th to first? Or that Warren held on long past the point where she had no chance to ensure the anti establishment vote got split? Certainly the late night phone calls Obama made to every establishment candidate polling ahead of Biden were a coincidence. And the Dem leadership adjacent members who’ve said on the record that Biden was chosen to stop Bernie and not Trump, that’s just regular party squabbles, right?
Do you really think the DNC has run a fair and free primary in the last 10 years?
Blame individuals for quiting. They are the ones that did it. The people you are complaining about were the alternatives to vote for. If the action is so bad then why would you want to vote for them?
I blame the party for offering them inducements to quit and making it know they’d ratfuck anyone who didn’t go along with the plan.
But mostly I blame Blue MAGA cultists who’ve kept their eyes squeezed tight shut any time their party is just as bad as the other one and every time the party has played dirty tricks to keep its donors happy at the expense of its voters. Because y’all are the ones letting them get away with it and continuing to reward the behavior with your vote.
I vote in the primaries and have witnessed vote counting. The process has insane levels of integrity. Again im not sure why you would want to vote for people that do things based on inducements. What happens when they are elected and get corporate inducements. The Blue MAGA term is disengenous since your talking about people trying to keep republicans (maga being their current iteration) which is why im putting an end to this. When someone loses a race they don’t look at the winner and say. I need to not do what they are doing. Ill discuss to some degree but not going to be drawn into an insult contest.
I worked as a volunteer and then paid staffer on Democratic campaigns for a decade. I know good and well the kinds of dirty tricks the party can and does use to ensure the “right” candidate wins a primary. The fact that you don’t want to understand the argument doesn’t invalidate the argument. The Democratic Party exists to give the left flank enough faith in the system to keep them from revolting, they serve no other purpose.
Blue MAGA is a perfectly apt term for the people who put party loyalty above critical thinking. The people who decry Trump’s immigration policy but happily voted for Kamala when she ran on an identical policy. The people who don’t believe that there were kids in cages at the border before and after Trump’s first term bcs that would require accepting that Obama and Biden weren’t much better than Trump. The kinds of people that believe Trump mysteriously appeared out of nowhere and refuse to accept the twin facts that decades of bipartisan neoliberalism made someone like Trump inevitable, and that Hillary Clinton’s campaign allies deliberately pushed their tame media talking heads to normalize Trump, ensuring that the slide to fascism would start in 2016, when it could have been delayed another 10-15 years. The kinds of people who’ll scold people with principles for not voting against those principles rather than blame their party for running a candidate that principled voters could not accept.
When someone loses a race, they shouldn’t look at the comprehensive post mortem of the campaign and decide that since the things it says aren’t acceptable to the donors they’ll ignore it and keep punching left. But they did, and it doesn’t seem to have dampened the enthusiasm of Blue MAGA in the slightest.