WHY? China SPIES on their Citizens and Commits GENOCIDE!
-People OK with their Tax Dollars funding both Palantir and Israel!
Well there sure has been enough propaganda being pumped out by China to make that bit of a positive bump.
The Chinese government sucks and anyone who needs a reminder just look up what they did to the Uyghurs.
Just becuase the American government also sucks it doesn’t make China’s government suck any less.
What they did to the Uygurs according to america and their western lapdogs lmao
Yeah all China did was erase their culture “re-educate them” which is some Orwellian shit and as a bonus they steralized a fuck ton of them. I am not a western lapdog but you sure are deepthoatin China’s dick ya troll!
yea that’s what france did to my grandma and what the nordics did to the sami.
Guess what, nobody got bombed. Comparing that to what’s happening in gaza is disguisting and wrong.
China had a problem with violent Muslim extremism in Xinjiang 25-40 years ago.
China started reeducation camps for them.
The US has spent decades bombing and murdering Muslims creating more extremists.
Which one is a better response to violent religious extremism?
Found the human rights abuser!
Hey man it’s not my fault my taxes have funded genocide for decades.
You are just here to deny human rights abuses as long as it is your team.
I don’t have a team so I don’t need to make excuses for fascist shit countries.
I’m not on any nation team. I’m on the human team. If humanity can do better, we should. I live in America, and I’ve read mostly American history so I’m more aware of our crimes. I don’t trust anything our captured media says about the rest of the world.
You voted for a genocider, you stupid ass bitch. I knew people in lebannon who died a few weeks before your disguisting country’s elections. I hope you see your loved one bombed with white phosphorus so you can hear their scream as their skin’s peeling off. Piece of shit
I am half lebanese you jackass. I didn’t vote for Trump, most of America didn’t and currently he has like 25% support.
There were WAY TOO MANY Middle Eastern Americans that voted for Trump due to a propaganda campaign that claimed he would do better with Gaza than Kamala. You have no idea how many of them I tried to convince not to vote for Trump.
Quit looking at Americans as one single individual.
It’s very tiresome to see Americans turn a blind eye to concentration camps in their own backwards while claiming some moral imperative to liberate Xinjiang.
Or Venezuela. Or North Korea. Or Cuba.
TwO ThiNGS CaN Be BAd aT thE SamE TimE. Also iRan killeD 3000000000000 people.
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It’s most often a fallacy used for covert victim-blaming. Like “ok he beat up his wife but she’s annoying”.
Or “ok israel is bad but what about hamas”
Or “ok israel is bad but what about hamas”
Crazy how the US can sponsor the bombing of UNRWA relief workers, then spin about and complain that Hamas isn’t letting aid in.
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I am not doing that dipshit. You are doing the exact thing I was just talking about. Yes America is a shit show right now that doesn’t magically make the Chinese government not suck.
America has concentration camps and is arresting innocent adults and children and filling those camps. It’s terrible and it does nothing to make China’s government suck less.
Yes America is a shit show right now that doesn’t magically make the Chinese government not suck.
This is Whataboutism!
Whataboutism! Whataboutism! Whataboutism!
America has concentration camps and is arresting innocent adults and children and filling those camps.
Help me. I am a 8 year old boy living in the illegitimate Yankee Capitalist regime. President Xi, our shelves are empty and we are hungry. I am asking you to liberate my state of Connecticut with your Chengdu J-20 Stealth air superiority fighters and your Dongfeng 41 Missiles.
Whataboutism is saying how evil America is and acting like that makes China less bad. Every asshole in these comments acting like China is “less evil” than the United States is barfing out whataboutisms.
Trump is a pedophile. This doesn’t make China suck less it just makes America suck more.
They’re accusing you of whataboutism … by using whataboutism. There’s nothing to gain in talking to that kind of person.
Whataboutism is saying how evil America is and acting like that makes China less bad.
Aaaaah! My mistake. I didn’t realize Whataboutism was America specific. All this time I thought it was a generic rhetorical technique where you try to deflect the blame for your own country’s missteps by insisting any other country was worse.
But apparently America is exempt. Perhaps even… exceptional? Is there some kind of American Exceptionalism at play here? One in which America is beyond criticism?
Trump is a pedophile. This doesn’t make China suck less
Okay, but what if the Chinese economy promotes things Americans desire - green alternative energy, public health care and education accessible to residents without respect to income or ethnic background, a near totally-equal redistribution of land among the peasantry following the collapse of the landlord-backed government?
Would that make China suck less?
America’s just mad because they build de-radicalization camps instead of labeling them terrorists and genociding them.
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I hear yah, but how do you deal with a radicalized portion of your population? If the US built camps for MAGA I’m sure the world would understand.
just look up what they did to the Uyghurs.
What they did according to debunked “eyewitnesses” and anti-communist funded media.
Lemmy is so full of propaganda I’m getting tired of blocking.
Both the US and China are awful for their own shared and distinct reasons. Anyone who disagrees is either a tankie or a MAGA asshole. That said, no country on the planet is morally perfect.
The point of their deamonization of china is to make them less bad in comparaison. But guess who isn’t led by a notorious pedophile? China. Guess who didn’t kidnap a head of state? China. Guess who doesn’t bomb countries for breakfast? China
let me preface this by saying I hate the direction the U.S. government has taken (both in general and more as of late), but
> “Guess who doesn’t bomb countries for breakfast? China”
[squints]
[looks over at China]
Well, not yet they don’t, I guess. But hey, 2026 isn’t even half over yet, we still got time to get this world war started proper.
This keeps coming up. Go Google search the last time China used military force to get something done.
Eventually you have to realize the only people who see potential war everywhere are Americans.
China is the fourth largest producer of arms now and sells weapons to war torn regions. Giving China the benefit of the doubt when they are now cranking out more billionaires than the US is a ship that sailed a long time ago.
Trumplethinskin, just like Pooh bear, has designs on neighboring countries. Mr. Pooh himself, “Taiwan independence is the chief culprit in undermining peace in the Taiwan Strait - we will absolutely not tolerate or condone it.” Yeah, something an imperialist would say, reminiscemt of Russia and Ukraine.
Refusal to recognize Taiwan’s unique culture and self-determination is just another nail in a very large coffin of Chinese Imperialism. While I do applaud them for not directly engaging in military conflict there is little reason to when they can control them politically much in the same way the US controls Mexico or Canada.
> “Guess who doesn’t bomb countries for breakfast? China”
[squints]
Sorry, I think they meant they don’t bomb countries in the material world that actually exists. In the speculative fantasy world that exists in your head, I’m sure they do all kinds of absolutely horrible things.
In fact, I think it’s high time that the imaginary world places imaginary sanctions on imaginary China.
Oh wow, you’re all the way into the organ harvesting stuff, that’s deep in the propaganda lore.
You know Falun Gong claims that the reason China is supposedly harvesting their organs is because they claim their organs have mystical powers? Do you believe that too, or is China just doing it because of some generic comic book supervillain motivations?
riiiight, Wikipedia, which lists multiple different sources you’re free to follow, is “propaganda” now. 🤡
Though, now I’m confused. If Wikipedia is “propaganda”, now, why do you link to it in posts as a credible source?
Lmao. Did you actually read beyond the title of anything you linked?
A 2006 report by a U.S. congressional research staffer questioned the credibility of Kilgour-Matas’s first report and stated that American officials in China were unable to verify organ harvesting allegations at a hospital in Shenyang.[12] Dissenters have cited the allegations’ inconsistency with other data, rejection by lawyers representing Falun Gong practitioners, and implausibility of the numbers.[13]
A 2017 article by The Washington Post disputes that China secretly conducts 60,000 to 100,000 organ transplants per year.[13] Data compiled by Quintiles IMS show China’s share of global demand for immunosuppressant drugs, which are necessary to prevent the bodies of patients from rejecting transplanted organs, was approximately in line with the proportion of global transplants China said it performed.[13] The journal also reports that lawyers who had represented Falun Gong practitioners rejected organ harvesting allegations and quotes a lawyer had “never heard of organs being taken from live prisoners” after defending 300 to 400 adepts of the movement.[13] According to health official Huang Jiefu, who has been working with an American surgeon to transform China’s transplant practices, a total of 13,238 organ transplant operations were performed in 2016.[13] Xu Jiapeng, a Quintiles IMS account manager in Beijing, said it was “unthinkable” to operate a clandestine system that the data on immunosuppressants did not pick up.[13] An Australian surgeon and vocal critic of China’s past transplant practices said it would not be plausible for the country to have more transplantations per year than the United States without that information leaking out.[13]
Oh cool, now we both agree Wikipedia isn’t propaganda again? Super, I’m glad we’ve established that. :D
I did in fact read it first. There are a total of four, count 'em, four paragraphs under the “Counterarguments” section (one of which isn’t actually a counterargument but we’ll get to that). That’s almost the length of an acceptable fourth grade book report. I’m very proud, as well as at your restraint at only directly copy and pasting one of them (and the other from the article lead – now I know the only two sections you actually bothered to read). Most of that entire section cites that same source, the Washington Post article.
I wonder how many subsections there are under the “Evidence” section?
… Hmmmm. Well, okay, okay, maybe they’re all really really short and poorly sourced! How do they stack up against the refutations?
Ahhhh. Golly, dozens of sources, lots to read – they’ve even got helpful diagrams for the slow tankies. Well, since you clearly went and picked out the quotes you liked best, now’s my turn. :3
Bo Xilai was governor of Liaoning province, which researchers believe was a major center for organ harvesting.[who?] The World Organization to Investigate the Persecution of Falun Gong made phone calls to mid- and high-level officials with prior connections to Bo, posing as members of the Communist Party’s discipline and inspection body that was building a case against him. They asked questions about the chain of command involved in procuring organs from prisoners, including Falun Gong practitioners. When asked about Bo’s involvement in organ harvesting, one senior Politburo member reportedly told investigators that Standing Committee member and security chief Zhou Yongkang “is in charge of this specifically. He knows it.”[72]
A city-level official in Liaoning province was asked by investigators what instructions Bo Xilai may have given on organ removal from Falun Gong prisoners. The official replied: “I was asked to take care of this task. Party central is actually taking care of this… Bo was involved quite positively. At that time we mainly talked about it during the meetings within the Standing Committee.”[verification needed] The official ended the call after realizing that he had not confirmed the caller’s identity.[72]
Emphasis mine.
And oh, hey, the very next paragraph after the one you quoted about that Washington Post article, that’s a good one too.
Kilgour, Matas, Gutmann, and experts in fields such as medicine wrote to the Post saying that drug prices can be 2.5 to 4 times cheaper in China than in the U.S., making sales data an unreliable proxy for dosage, and that a country’s global share of immunosuppressant sales does not need to match its share of transplantations, citing Japan and the U.S. as counterexamples.[144] Their letter also states that most Chinese hospitals have an unofficial pharmacy whose “significant” amount of business data are not included in IMS figures.[144]
“If you don’t believe that, there’s multiple different sources for you to follow.”
make them less bad in comparaison
Okay, but I’m told that’s Whataboutism and all Americans are immune to it
But guess who isn’t led by a notorious pedophile? China. Guess who didn’t kidnap a head of state? China. Guess who doesn’t bomb countries for breakfast? China
I’m more than confident that you can find allegations of child sexual assault, kidnapping of rival leaders, and military campaigns against neighbors aimed at China.
yes, keyword being “allegations”. Regarding america, we’ve been past that for a decade
keyword being “allegations”
So, the abduction of Gedhun Choekyi Nyima is more than a mere allegation. Of course, the entire selection process for the Panchen and Dalai Lamas is itself rife with controversy, as it functionally involves randomly selecting some local child and whisking them away from their parents to be indoctrinated by Tibetian monks.
Similarly, there’s the open question of Taiwan’s sovereignty, as well as a history of Chinese intervention in neighboring territories. Nothing compared to the US decapitation and conquest of Iraq or Afghanistan, of course. But China was absolutely involved in armed conflict with the Vietnamese back in the 1960s/70s.
You can eek out parallels and hand wave comparisons if you know the history well enough and where to look. Chinese private security firms are all over Africa, for instance. Plenty of comparisons you can make between that and the old US/Europe model of filibustering, if you squint and don’t think too hard.
TL;DR; its far more than just allegations. The real difference is in scope. US interventions are orders of magnitude larger.
We’ve been beyond that since founding fathers.
It’s clear which of these two superpowers is a greater threat to the world.
It always blows my mind to look at that graph. Almost even in 2017 and then it just plummets 30 points over the next 6 years. Nothing even changed, I don’t see any discernable reason for it, it was just that the media decided to start shitting on China and making them public enemy #1 for a bit (sparking a massive “unexplained” rise in anti-Asian hate crimes). Obviously they got all the blame for COVID to distract from all the domestic policy failures, but the shift in public opinion started before that.
If you ask people why they suddenly had negative views of China, they’d just cite things like “China has billionaires,” or “China saber-rattles over Taiwan,” or other stuff that’s been true for decades. Those things were just as true in 2017 when China had 43% favorability among Americans, or in 2011 when it was 52-37.
That’s the power of propaganda.
The mass detention and “re-education” of Uyghurs and other Muslim minorities in China’s Xinjiang region began in early 2017.
The yellow umbrella movement protests and crackdowns reached their peaks roughly in 2019/2020.
These are very discernible reasons.
The mass detention and “re-education” of Uyghurs and other Muslim minorities in China’s Xinjiang region began in early 2017.
Right, and there was plenty of misinformation about that the media pushed as fact.
The yellow umbrella movement protests and crackdowns reached their peaks roughly in 2019/2020.
The umbrella movement was 79 days in 2014 according to Wikipedia. There was no noticable shift in American opinion of China in response to that.
Yeah, europeans too, I’m sure. At least relatively.
China’s being doing a masterclass of “don’t stop your enemies when they’re fucking up”.
Well it’s not like we can judge
