Yes, but I don’t know which ones you’re referring to so in order to have a productive conversation I need to know specifically what you’re referring to.
This is not the first time I’ve seen this conversation play out like this.
Liberal: Leftists believes crazy thing!
Leftist: Can you give us examples of “crazy thing”?
Liberals: No, I cannot.
Or in the rare instance where the liberal does actually cite a source, the source isn’t saying what the liberal is saying they said.
I will continue to believing this is self-soothing delusion by liberals until they can provide some evidence for their claims.
Like, What you’re saying is so grossly untrue you don’t even want to take an opportunity to cherry pick someone saying something not broadly supported by leftists?
It’s just that I offered you the same proof you ordered me, none, which is fine, we are sharing lived experience on social media.
However, It comes off arrogant, almost as if you’re saying “my reality is objectively correct and everyone else’s is delusional unless they take time out of their life to write me a dissertation.”
Believe me or don’t but you need to practice what you preach
Great! I believe you when you say you don’t consider yourself a liberal and I respect that. As not a “liberal” I would think you understand how its pretty annoying to constantly see your beliefs being misrepresented on this forum.
In that spirit I think it’s a pretty low bar to copy and paste a link to your source for why you believe what you say you believe. You’ve written several paragraphs, that’s already much more effort than what I’ve asked.
Edit: I will add to this whether or not you consider yourself to be a liberal, you are taking the liberal position.
You made a claim that plays into those narratives then refused to back up those claims with any evidence.
Look, its fine, its easy to fall into reactionary narratives, it can happen to anyone, they can be like a warm blanket at times… its comfortable to tell yourself… “If everyone votes the right way everything will be fine, its the evil leftist tankies ruining everything”… Perhaps you don’t fully even buy into that narrative, but you clearly bought into part of it. Everything won’t be fine even if everyone votes the right way, and more realistically everyone won’t vote the right way no matter how much we argue about it on Lemmy.
Appreciate you engaging with me today, try to consider my arguments without feeling personally attacked. These narratives are put out there by powerful forces trying to divide us.
Your arguments are immaterial to interactions with other people though. You may have a perfectly reasonable position, that’s never what I was talking about and I’m not interested in you moving the goal posts on someone else’s argument.
I’m not moving the goal post. I litterally repeated what I said in my first (long) post in terms that sound more understanding to your position.
If anything you’re moving the goalpost by saying your opinion is more complicated than what you origianally posted. Which I have tried to take in good faith.
At this point, I gotta be honest I’m more flabbergasted by the idea that anyone actually thinks it’s a compelling response to say “no copying and pasting links is hard” to “the burden of proof falls on the person making the claim” than anything else.
Yes, but I don’t know which ones you’re referring to so in order to have a productive conversation I need to know specifically what you’re referring to.
This is not the first time I’ve seen this conversation play out like this.
Or in the rare instance where the liberal does actually cite a source, the source isn’t saying what the liberal is saying they said.
I will continue to believing this is self-soothing delusion by liberals until they can provide some evidence for their claims.
Like, What you’re saying is so grossly untrue you don’t even want to take an opportunity to cherry pick someone saying something not broadly supported by leftists?
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You think needing to provide evidence for your claims is satire? It seems like a pretty basic thing to ask someone.
It’s just that I offered you the same proof you ordered me, none, which is fine, we are sharing lived experience on social media.
However, It comes off arrogant, almost as if you’re saying “my reality is objectively correct and everyone else’s is delusional unless they take time out of their life to write me a dissertation.”
Believe me or don’t but you need to practice what you preach
Great! I believe you when you say you don’t consider yourself a liberal and I respect that. As not a “liberal” I would think you understand how its pretty annoying to constantly see your beliefs being misrepresented on this forum.
In that spirit I think it’s a pretty low bar to copy and paste a link to your source for why you believe what you say you believe. You’ve written several paragraphs, that’s already much more effort than what I’ve asked.
Edit: I will add to this whether or not you consider yourself to be a liberal, you are taking the liberal position.
It’s a liberal position to express that people have argued with me about whether voting makes you culpable or not?
I did not misrepresent your beliefs because I never once tried to say that you hold those beliefs.
You made a claim that plays into those narratives then refused to back up those claims with any evidence.
Look, its fine, its easy to fall into reactionary narratives, it can happen to anyone, they can be like a warm blanket at times… its comfortable to tell yourself… “If everyone votes the right way everything will be fine, its the evil leftist tankies ruining everything”… Perhaps you don’t fully even buy into that narrative, but you clearly bought into part of it. Everything won’t be fine even if everyone votes the right way, and more realistically everyone won’t vote the right way no matter how much we argue about it on Lemmy.
Appreciate you engaging with me today, try to consider my arguments without feeling personally attacked. These narratives are put out there by powerful forces trying to divide us.
Your arguments are immaterial to interactions with other people though. You may have a perfectly reasonable position, that’s never what I was talking about and I’m not interested in you moving the goal posts on someone else’s argument.
I’m not moving the goal post. I litterally repeated what I said in my first (long) post in terms that sound more understanding to your position.
If anything you’re moving the goalpost by saying your opinion is more complicated than what you origianally posted. Which I have tried to take in good faith.
At this point, I gotta be honest I’m more flabbergasted by the idea that anyone actually thinks it’s a compelling response to say “no copying and pasting links is hard” to “the burden of proof falls on the person making the claim” than anything else.
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