Absolutely vote? Wasn’t it the democrats who originally started using those concentration camps? Why the hell should we keep supporting liberals as an obligation, this kind of stuff is why you’ll never move left of the Democratic Party.
I remember people being deported all the time under liberal administrations technically legally, and you were all silent about it. What’s happening now is the natural extrapolation of where that was heading.
You started at “Democrats were using these camps”, and now you’re at “the Democrats did something that can be interpreted as a precursor to what’s happening now”.
You’re wildly shifting the goalposts to keep Democrats central to your ire, while also saying that something is just as bad as something that is an escalation of it.
A preceding B does not make A equivalent to B.
The camps existed on a (slightly) smaller scale under Biden, but the escalating brutality has remained relatively constant across Democrats and Republicans, it’s just that the Republicans came later.
I’m sure I can talk about two issues in separate comment threads. I think everyone is sure of that. Are you sure you understand how to converse in english comrade? Or are you wasting my and everyone else’s time with meaningless callouts?
I don’t give a shit if ICE was brutalizing people legally vs. if ICE was brutalizing people illegally and breaking the constitution of your slave state imperialist country.
Yes and, it’s also gotten worse. You and the person you’re replying to are both right. Liberals have been deporting people too, and also, there really are a bunch of new concentration camps, because the conservatives want to deport even more people. You’re both right!
No, because one of these people is seemingly totally alright with just settling with a more acceptable number of people being deported if it follows the correct legal process. Both parties should be fucking overthrown. There is no acceptable amount of continuous death and brutality.
I think we should have all but completely open borders. The only reason I see to have border controls to control the flow of potentially invasive plants and animals, to prevent the import of food, etc that doesn’t meet domestic safety guidelines, basic demographic and census tracking, and to make sure that anyone coming in knows their rights and isn’t being abused.
more acceptable number of people being deported if it follows the correct legal process
This is a very confusing statement to me. What do you think deportation is?
I’m not sure how you can be particularly upset that someone is okay with people being sent home after getting a proper trial and legal due process, particularly when the alternative is “not that”.
Of the choices the Democrats are most likely to stop the concentration camps so of my three options (vote Dem, vote Repub, do nothing and/or vote third party) I’ll do the one that is most likely to effect the change I want
Let’s look at a historical analogue. In the past Democrats were anti-gay marriage. I think Clinton only came around on it in like 2012 and Obama in like 2008 or something like that, who knows. But recently in the grand scheme of things. Can you imagine in like 2006 being like “well the Democrats and Republicans both don’t support the gay community so I guess I’ll just not vote”? But the Dems were the most likely to eventually come around, and enough people pushed them in that direction that they did the right thing. That’s how politics works
Absolutely vote? Wasn’t it the democrats who originally started using those concentration camps? Why the hell should we keep supporting liberals as an obligation, this kind of stuff is why you’ll never move left of the Democratic Party.
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I remember people being deported all the time under liberal administrations technically legally, and you were all silent about it. What’s happening now is the natural extrapolation of where that was heading.
You started at “Democrats were using these camps”, and now you’re at “the Democrats did something that can be interpreted as a precursor to what’s happening now”.
You’re wildly shifting the goalposts to keep Democrats central to your ire, while also saying that something is just as bad as something that is an escalation of it.
A preceding B does not make A equivalent to B.
The camps existed on a (slightly) smaller scale under Biden, but the escalating brutality has remained relatively constant across Democrats and Republicans, it’s just that the Republicans came later.
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Nothing was done illegally or unconstitutionally before this and to suggest otherwise just shows that you are a troll or one the nazis
Biden funding and supporting genocide was clearly and obviously a violation of the Leahy laws. Thats not really up for debate.
So now you pivot from your initial claim regarding deportation and want to discuss “supporting genocide”?
Are you sure?
Idk, maybe liberals committing a genocide is kinda relevant to the original point of not voting for them.
I agree people should only vote left of an American Neoliberal democrat
Well, that’s something. Someone who stops doing Vote Blue No Matter Who once the genocide line is crossed at least has a soul.
I’m sure I can talk about two issues in separate comment threads. I think everyone is sure of that. Are you sure you understand how to converse in english comrade? Or are you wasting my and everyone else’s time with meaningless callouts?
And nothing the Republicans are doing is illegal or unconstitutional according to the Republican supreme court.
“according the the Republican supreme Court” Means nothing
It doesn’t change the law or the constitution, what they are doing is against it, it’s not debatable
I don’t give a shit if ICE was brutalizing people legally vs. if ICE was brutalizing people illegally and breaking the constitution of your slave state imperialist country.
Can you show me where they were eprevously “brutalizing” people?
I think the biggest science was the cages that were still in use at the border.
Can you show me murders, shootings, neighborhood sweeps, CCOT transfers or people being trafficked to countries they have never been to?
Yes and, it’s also gotten worse. You and the person you’re replying to are both right. Liberals have been deporting people too, and also, there really are a bunch of new concentration camps, because the conservatives want to deport even more people. You’re both right!
No, because one of these people is seemingly totally alright with just settling with a more acceptable number of people being deported if it follows the correct legal process. Both parties should be fucking overthrown. There is no acceptable amount of continuous death and brutality.
I think we should have all but completely open borders. The only reason I see to have border controls to control the flow of potentially invasive plants and animals, to prevent the import of food, etc that doesn’t meet domestic safety guidelines, basic demographic and census tracking, and to make sure that anyone coming in knows their rights and isn’t being abused.
This is a very confusing statement to me. What do you think deportation is?
I’m not sure how you can be particularly upset that someone is okay with people being sent home after getting a proper trial and legal due process, particularly when the alternative is “not that”.
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All countries deport people.
Dumb comment by me
I will STFU for a bit
The commenter I was replying to certainly seemed to be mad at that. Did you read that comment?
Yeah. I guess it just seems you are minimizing the point of the conversation. Please disregard if it was irrelevant to your point
Not at all. I just get tired of people complaining about stuff like this when the US does it while ignoring everywhere else that does it.
I looked through your comments and I suspect you and I largely agree on this topic.
True, after reviewing your post history I agree.
Apologies, for the misunderstanding of your point
Fuck you
If you’re going to complain about deportations in one country and remain silent about them everywhere else, perhaps it’s you who should get fucked.
I’m no fan of deportations of people who aren’t harming anyone, but I’m also no fan of hypocrisy.
I do care about deportations in other countries, but they’re happening somewhere beyond my sphere of influence as a communist in North America.
Uh huh. Sure, buddy.
no u
It becomes a problem when they also start killing people with names like Renee or Alex.
Of the choices the Democrats are most likely to stop the concentration camps so of my three options (vote Dem, vote Repub, do nothing and/or vote third party) I’ll do the one that is most likely to effect the change I want
Let’s look at a historical analogue. In the past Democrats were anti-gay marriage. I think Clinton only came around on it in like 2012 and Obama in like 2008 or something like that, who knows. But recently in the grand scheme of things. Can you imagine in like 2006 being like “well the Democrats and Republicans both don’t support the gay community so I guess I’ll just not vote”? But the Dems were the most likely to eventually come around, and enough people pushed them in that direction that they did the right thing. That’s how politics works
This is backwards. The reason they came around to gay people were because of violent riots.
You can riot and also vote, they’re not mutually exclusive acts
Stfu you don’t actually want people to riot you’re being dishonest.