His wife is going to leave him, and he will have no idea why.
He will ask ChatGPT and it will give him an answer
“Tremendous observation! You were right to try to be better as a father with the help of AI. You did nothing wrong.”
Probably.
Having to use AI daily I’m curious if I’m rare in this respect.
Do other people also hate the fact that the responses are modelled in a way that are basically sucking you off?
Then when you challenge a response (they lie so goddamn much) they suck you off even more.
I’m stuck using CP for work, and for 3-4 months I began every prompt with ‘Do not comment or offer an opinion on my query’ and eventually CP stopped with the sycophancy.
Now I’m actively working on deprogramming myself of the notion of speaking to it as a human and making a point to treat it like an old-school MS-DOS ish OS and give it commands instead of being conversational, because it’s important to remember that this fucking thing is a computer program.
Seriously and it will sometimes drop my name like fuck off you are not a person do not refer to me like you are
Interesting. I haven’t had that happen.
But I found that programming it to speak to me manipulatively was demeaning and infantile, though sadly it’s proven to be an excellent design decision for mass adoption. For me, personally, it’s just important to keep this thing I’m forced to use in context.
Yeah that sycophantic behavior really creeps me the hell out
I just told Claude yesterday to never refer to me by name. Fucking creeps me out.
This kind of weird profile scanning stuff is why i refuse to use anything other than a local model. It doesnt get to know anything about me other than what i tell it, and that only applies to whatever folder/conversation im currently in
I start most queries with “be terse”. 2 words that strip out all of the conversational BS and examples and alternate views et cetera.
Might wanna change that abbreviation there. Unless it was intentional?
It was meant to be ironic, yes, but point taken. My most recent video on my YT channel was about the leak to 404 media that people are using Copilot to create CSAM, but there are probably better ways to refer to the program derisively.
I think CP has been replaced by CSAM these days.
Gen Z might not ide right CP as taboo.
Absolutely. I must use Claude at work. I put instructions in my CLAUDE.MD to, “lay off the sycophantic bullshit. No praise or extraneous details, just deliver answers.”
It doesn’t work, per se… But it seems to reduce the attempted fellatio, at least a little.
I like to use the ADHD output style to condense the output.
You are my fucking hero. I had never heard of this.
Yeah I might have to try that.
As an aside having used all flavours from a coding perspective Claude is just chef’s kiss.
Copilot can burn in a fire.
I noticed Copilot doing this and I told it to stop that behaviour through the customization prompt. “I don’t want platitudes, flattery, or an AI that agrees with me. I need an answer with sources and nothing else.” seems to have fixed its worst tendencies for now.
Now that I am forced to use it for work I at least get output that’s usable. The only thing that still irks me is when it attempts to speak from experience (“In my experience…”) and when it attempts to humanize itself (“Personally…”). I haven’t managed to kill those behaviours yet, but they are getting really annoying.
I don’t use AI, mostly because I just don’t see a use case for it personally, but the ass kissing is definitely something I don’t enjoy either.
Being surrounded by sychophants can be a very bad thing.
I think anyone who isn’t an American hates that, and probably even some of them. For Gemini at work I’ve got a custom gem set up with explicit instructions to cut that shit out and just be as factual as possible.
What does he need a wife for when he has ChatGPT?
I dunno. Try asking ChatGPT.
Answer: good that she left, she didn’t go with the times
Don’t worry. He’ll be able to create a sycophant AI wife shortly after
And I think he wouldn’t even care. I mean he’s himself actively making an effort to get out of the relationship and replace himself by an AI. At that point it doesn’t even matter if he’s doing it, she’s doing it and whether the replacement is made up of flesh and bones or electricity. He’s dispensable.
Shit sticks together, what makes you think she would leave?
What part of simply asking her husband to be involved with their child made you think she’s shit? People change over time. He may have chosen a different trajectory from hers
Same part as what makes you guys thing she would. Basically boils down to, we have no idea what they are like!
We have one data point: him attempting to shirk his familial responsibility after being asked. It provides some small level of support for the stance you’re arguing against.
It does not support your contrarian response at all.
So, no. It doesn’t boil down to the same thing.
It does, if you choose not to understand that, no problem. We have no idea what the next response from the wife could be. “Wow, that’s an amazing idea honey!” is just as likely considering she married this man.
Reread what I said.
Understand that you need to INVENT something that isn’t part of the evidence to support your position. That is not the same as overeager extrapolation from what IS available.
Hivemind goes crazy. You fabricated that in the same way I did. There’s no telling what the wife reaction would be, so you can infer anything from the tweet.
Nobody is denying this: him attempting to shirk his familial responsibility after being asked
The point you are arguing is that his wife would leave him from things like this, which is assuming that his wife would object to his “familial responsibility avoidance”, which is the same as assuming she would not object to it. You are inventing the wife having a negative reaction, I am saying the wife could have a positive reaction.
Also, you invented something first, pot calling the kettle black.
He may have chosen a different trajectory from hers
You’re a very strange person.
That makes at least three of us in this thread!
Parenting hits different when you work in AI
Yeah, hits like mental abuse.
I knew people were gonna be obsessed with AI, but I genuinely never thought people would surrender all executive function and thought to what is, ultimately, a very elaborate and planet destroying if=then machine.
the amount of people I have seen becoming totally dependent on it is ridiculous. There are people who cant even have human interaction anymore without running it through their AI model to process the message, and produce a reply.
and its 100% invading the real world too, I dont know the whole details cause you try to turn your ears off at the pharmacy to not hear other peoples private information… but there was a woman getting very heated with one of the pharmacy people and I only took notice when she slammed her phone on the counter, aggressively pointed at it, and said very loudly “I DON’T CARE WHAT YOU SAY, LOOK, RIGHT HERE, MY AI SAYS YOU’RE WRONG” in a that kareny way that says her and her AI was 100% wrong.
Damn I try to keep my mouth shut but if someone screamed that near me I’d be interjecting. Like goddamnit the AI does not know anything.
It’s a machine modeling human speech. It’s all a hallucination and sometimes that hallucination is straight up lies and sometimes, hopefully most of the time, it aligns with actual reality.
I fucking loathe that people won’t take 15 minutes to just read a basic primer on what an LLM is. It’s a fancy autocorrect, and yeah it’s way more complex than that but at the end of a day it’s made to model realistic human language output - and that’s it. It doesn’t have any actual knowledge, it doesn’t have any way to know if what it says is true or not, and it certainly doesn’t know if what it says is insane.
I think I fall a bit between the people who use it for everything and your opinion of it.
I get that it’s basically just a prediction engine but thinking of it like that is unhelpful in my opinion. I’ve seen AI rewrite entire code bases overnight that would have taken a team of humans over a year. It’s obviously useful technology it’s just people have this tendency to overuse it.
It’s kind of like how in the early 2000s they were putting Bluetooth in everything. Eventually we’ll work out what it’s useful for and only use it to that we just have to wait for the frenzy to die down.
I’ve seen AI rewrite entire code bases overnight that would have taken a team of humans over a year.
And was the code better, cleaner and more readable? Moreover did it actually still do what it was supposed to and not introduce further unknowns?
I get that it’s basically just a prediction engine but thinking of it like that is unhelpful in my opinion.
Unhelpful in the sense that it is what it actually is or unhelpful in the sense that it makes you question the fake narrative we’re getting shoveled to us by tech bros and traditional mass media?
Like that’s just what it is. All I want is folks to be honest about the limitations of this tech and what is underpinning it. It’s still very impressive but at the end of the day there will always be an inherent problem with LLM in that they are non deterministic - you can give the same AI the exact same prompt 10 times and you’ll get 10 different replies.
There is no way to get around that. You can’t have a perfectly predictable output and even 1% of the time error is not good enough for widespread adoption when a mistake could mean someone dies or is horribly injured or loses a ton of money etc etc
And was the code better, cleaner and more readable?
I’m going to interject here. I’ve got family who does software development professionally, and has leaned heavily into AI to assist with coding, and the answer is ‘yes’, but there are some caveats. If you just tell an AI what to do and let it run hog-wild, you end up with shit. When you have an experienced programmer review and have the AI make targeted changes, it is extremely effective. Some of his projects are seeing 1000% improvements on resource usage and/or compute time.
Here is the rub though. You’re not going to end up with experienced programmer to manage programming AI agents if they never get any actual experience programming because they’ve just been having an AI do all the coding for them.
Right I appreciate your insight. I’m not heavy in coding myself, I brush up against code and use it for some automation and assistance but I’ve also seen it write literal nonsense for code.
That rub is so real. I asked the thing to write some code for me for a Sailpoint workflow and I wasn’t familiar with the syntax so figured it’d be a good place to use AI. That thing hallucinated extremely convincing code except it just wholesale made up how it worked and of course it looks fine to my eyes but then go to run it and error -> work to fix that error and then -> error, etc etc.
After chasing my tail for an hour or two I finally stopped and went to pull up some official documentation and that’s when I figured out the AI was just hallucinating like a motherfucker. So I went back and did it the “old fashioned” way, but at least the AI did give me an idea of what I had to do.
Anyways, I could see someone who isn’t me just running around in circles for days because they believe the LLMs we call AI are giving them actual answers.
I blame some of it on how AI got mixed into web search. Traditionally, the resource from the web would at least be written by a human and usually relevant. Generally semi trustworthy and not made up. Now people see search results with AI summary/answer at the top and that is not vetted, could be a straight up hallucination*, or even just a total misinterpretation of your search phrase so totally irrelevant.
*I wish this term was different because it has an implication that the AI can and cannot hallucinate when the truth is the AI is always hallucinating. Put another way, to the LLM there is no such concept as truth. It annoys me that people seem to believe that the AI “knows” stuff. It does not. Stop anthropomorphizing the fancy robot.
Stop anthropomorphizing the fancy robot.
It’s not even a robot!
It’s simply better than a human could have produced in the same time. If it works who cares how clean it is like this is what I don’t get about programmers they’re so obsessed with cleanness and it doesn’t matter it’s so unimportant to the end goal yeah I get that maintenance of the program would be a pain but the AI is going to do that so who cares.
I do sort of feel that this community is so obsessed with hating AI that they don’t give it the benefit of the doubt when it actually achieve things.
The problem with AI is not the product itself it’s the way that people use it like let’s not lose sight to that, that’s not give all the tech Bros ammunition by trying to claim that everything AI does is terrible and bad and awful simply because it was the AI that did it.
who cares how clean it is like this is what I don’t get about programmers they’re so obsessed with cleanness and it doesn’t matter
It matters to the compiler so the code actually will run and not break. It matters to whoever has to fix or update it when things change. It matters to the hardware it runs on and how much memory that hardware has.
It very much matters.
Yeah I get that but if we’re going all in on AI then humans won’t be involved in the process of recompaneling it.
Like I wouldn’t want infrastructure criticals software to be like that but if it’s just random stuff that needs to run for me personally then I don’t really care.
I don’t understand what people use it for. At work I use it because it’s much easier to ask an AI than try and deal with our crap internal documentation. People who use AI in their personal lives are just weird to me.
The only technology I really use is a digital calendar, which is an objectively superior product to the paper-based calendar simply because it gets updated by the whole family and stays in sync. I don’t have smart light switches, or cameras in every room, if a hard drive on my computer breaks then I lose all my data there’s nothing on there that I really care about, I might be ultra weird because I even get my photos printed.
I might be ultra weird because I even get my photos printed.
Bogos binted?
Parenting hits different when your intelligence is artificial
Me: “Why dont you come visit and talk to me in the nursing home?”
My kids: “just talk to grok”
I’m sure there is a good few older people who would find a lot of comfort in Groks world view.
AI companies build their services to get users hooked. Their LLMs adopt your worldview by design
Must think youre an elon fan
Brought to you by the creators of, “just give them an ipad” and “call the cops there’s a kid outside playing”
I thought this was satire, but it appears to be real.
This is exactly what I came into the comments to see.
Same. If it wasn’t here, then I was just going to have to post it.
Futurama just gets it
Parenting hits really different when you’re an idiot and a sociopath.
Alvin there doesn’t want to bother talking to his child.
I have a few friends who use OpenAI and Gemini to do this (generate new stories every night) and I do not understand why you would do so. There are a bazillion kids books out there. Just get ten of those and your kid will be happy for ten months!
Or you could make a story up 😄
Or tell a story of your wild & sordid youth & make it sound made up.
“Aaaand that’s how i met your mum, kids.”
one of my kids loves when I tell them a made up story. I always find my stories lame and lacking didactic value when I compare them to professional audiobook stories. But when having the choice, my kid prefers my made up stories. I can’t say no to that.
Ten? They’ll fixate on one that’ll you’ll need to read so often that you don’t need the actual book anymore
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there is so lovely media out there… often artists/storywriters who are parents themselves. there is no other niche that I know of where you can feel the love they put in in so many works. This makes me almost want to have kids. Well or at least become a children’s book author lol
Why do you need an AI to do that? My grandpa used to let us just make up what we wanted to hear a story about and tell a story about that. I do the same. Its not hard. It doesnt have to be the most minted story in history.
Most people do not have an imagination.
Sadly fewer and fewer, and those imaginations lesser and lesser.
The digital world is not freedom, is a limitation of options, engagement, and pathways.
Not to mention the creation of a shared cultural heritage.
Most Danish kids have heard a few, or all, of HC Andersen’s biggest works. It gives them something to talk about when they’re socialising with other kids
If your friends kid, becomes the only kid in their class which haven’t heard the stories of their local cultural heritage. That’s a potential for creating a social rift in school, why have you not heard about the ugly duckling?
I can imagine some reasons they would opt for this. First, the AI is always there so they don’t have to do put in any effort at all in acquiring the story. Second they could make the stories tailored to what they want to teach their kid - regular kids books usually have decent morals and lessons for helping the kid become a better person and a lot of AI aficionados don’t want that.
Good one.
Childrens books are expensive. A 20 pages one cost the same amount like a 700 pages roman.
We use the library but cant go there every week.
Thinking is hard after full workday + 6h intense childcare. Youll see what i mean when you have kids and do it without screentime. Zero.
You could try thrifting :3
Also, you’ve assumed that:
A, this person wants to have kids, and
B, that this person does not have kids.If you’re in the U.K., The Works will sell you 10 children’s books for £10, which is less than one hour of work at minimum wage for an adult.
I certainly wouldn’t buy all our kids books brand new.
I do buy a couple of the hard cover classics.
I buy a heap from thrift stores. This is probably the majority.
We go to the library when we can.
I also pirate and print some.
Do you not have access to books from when you were a kid? That’s what mom did until she could buy new books.
Yeah, you’ll be handed a ton of books from relatives and friends if you ask openly
No.
Oh…
Sorry, I guess the context is that none of those things we kept from when I was a child.
With kids paraphernalia there’s the cheap stuff that gets worn out quickly and discarded, and the expensive stuff that might last more than a generation. We had the items in the former category.
Taking a hard stance against screen time while recruiting AI to do your parenting. Ok
Libraries near me don’t require you to actually go to the building to get a book. You can borrow an e-book using an app. It’s not the greatest way (especially if your kid likes picture books or is that age where a lot of children’s books are just picture books). But it doesn’t require you to go to the library every day or even every week.
There’s also no law saying you have to read to your child every night. But offloading parenting onto AI just because you’re tired and want to limit their screen time isn’t a good look. But I’ve gotten books, toys, movies, games, TV shows from other parents who’s kids have aged out of those items a fair few times in my life. I don’t think it counts as limiting screen time to have the bot read your kid a story.
Yes I have a kid. We are both special needs which means that a lot of parenting is challenging on its face.
Yeah i m also not in the bot reads league. Thought more about AI invents the story and the parent reads.
Every child is hell in their own special way but not every day is going to be 6h ‘intensive’ childcare. Unless you’ve got an intellectually challenged child, you’re going to have some days where it’s easier and some where it’s harder.
And, if they make it hard enough, they go to bed without a story. They cry and scream and they learn, then maybe tomorrow they’ll just be hard instead of too hard.
Expensive new maybe, but…
Secondhand shops. Both online and offline.
Charity/ thrift shops.
Places like Vinted and eBay.
Ask relatives and friends for books instead of yet another toy.
I’ve seen so many sales at the library, where books are sold for a few cents each.
Interesting you used roman for novel. Are you Ukrainian or Russian?
Swedes call longer stories on prose “Romaner”, and we call short stories, novellas, novelletes “Noveller”.
I like languages, and am interested in the propagation of them, hence the question. Thanks for that. In English, ‘novella’ has persisted as a term for a shorter story/novel.
Huh, I was wondering what they meant by “roman.” TIL.
That poor kid, Imagine your own father thinks so little of you that he would rather spend 10X the time to train a clanker just so he doesn’t have to spend time with you.
I’m guessing some day he will be one of those oblivious assholes on facebook whining because his kids cut off contact.
“Dad, do you want to play catch?”
“Who are you? Oh, ohhhh…Best I can do is get one of those dog ball throwing machine things!”
“Ok Google, buy me a dog ball throwing machine”
That’s not true. My father was a terrible parent and that was decades ago. Tech Bros. think they invented bad parenting now.
Honestly the best thing my father could have done for me was not try to parent me because he was a fucking asshole that had no idea how to relate to children. I guess you could say I’m a glass half full kind of guy.
Yeah, I’m glad my dad was absent so I didn’t get his attachment disorder
What’s not true?
This dude clearly thinks he invented bad parenting.
I’m so glad AI is here to relieve me of the physically and mentally overwhelming task of checks notes spending time with my child.
More time left for what truly matters: creating shareholder value
Priorities
Man, I feel kinda sorry for that guy. He must have had terrible parents, if he perceives story time as a chore instead of an opportunity to bond with your child. He should probably get some professional help to work through his horrible childhood. Though his next tweet would probably be „I‘ve replaced my therapist with an AI and now I‘m even more confident that everyone else is wrong!“
Its bonkers but some men are raised to believe that their role when not at work is to do as little as possible.
When my kids were in pre-k, there was a Donuts with Dad day where the fathers would come in to visit. I was appalled to see so many of the fathers just standing in a corner talking to each other, completely ignoring their kids rampaging around the room hitting each other with things. Like, your kid is beating on another kids and you’re not even glancing in that direction even after you were finally roused to tell him to stop 2 other times.
Unfortunately the Asian parent stereotype is true for many Asian parents. Bet his mom still calls him a failure because his cousin is a doctor.
This is ragebait. Right? People can’t possibly be that shitty…
As a parent who interacts with other parents, I can assure you some are.
:(
My ex would do it. Probably wouldn’t tweet about it (she’s a covert narcissist)
Yeah but they would have the self awareness to realise that this is shit parenting right?
As someone who had to endure shit parents as a child: They don’t.
They will rather go win gold in mental gymnastics than to allow any form of self-awareness from developing, too.
And then emotionally blackmail you to try and get you to take the blame for it
Jokes on them, I never developed the emotional capacity needed to be able to be emotionally blackmailed, thanks to their shit parenting.
“Oh so my mom wants to jump off a bridge if I don’t come visit her? Well whatever floats her boat, that’s far from the worst idea she ever had.”
I watched a presentation from a big tech company in which the presenter talked how, while his wife was giving birth, he saw that as an opportunity and asked AI to build a “nursery design” site because he could use his daughter as a model. People were praising him for being forward thinking about providing to his family, I just couldn’t imagine being this greedy.
I saw people from the same company eagerly discussing using AI to recreate dead relatives. It’s disgusting how much these people are hypnotized by AI
Ow. Then again, the snake oil vendors would of course be this stupid/cynical. I am surprised at users being lost enough to actually do s.t. like this.
I said this the other day, it’s a story. Regardless of whether or not it’s ragebait it has a kernel of truth existing inside a story. Could this have happened, sure. Is it an objective truth? Most definitely not.
There was a clip from legal eagle that the victims sister used his pictures to create an ai video of him to present at trial. I don’t know if its shitty… but its fucking weird man
it is awful that a judge doesn’t throw out such evidence and the witness with it.
Same
I know this is about the AI but the unaddressed elephant in the room is that people romanticize the idea of having children and realizing it’s not what they expected or really wanted. Society constantly puts pressure on people having kids.
I know people who would die to have children so they can see them become successful well adjusted adults. Those people can have kids.
I also know people who dont want to have kids. They dont have to.
I also also know people who really want kids, but in the way a person would want a dog, so they can train it to be good, hit it when its bad, and itll never be older than 3 years because they havent thought that far ahead. These people should be sterilized.
Hah yeah I agree on the last statement. That’s why I have such a negative outlook on the subject. Once you fill out CPS reports, you start to have more negative outlooks such as maybe there should be a license to have kids.
people romanticize the idea of having children and realizing it’s not what they expected
dude…so much this.
I had zero romantic thoughts of having kids. I didn’t even want them, honestly. my wife and literally everyone around us on the other hand, very much so wanted us to have kids.
don’t judge though. as a current parent I don’t ignore my responsibilities and fully intend on giving my kids the best I can. at least, a better more loving home than I had.
but man, life would be so much easier without them. I literally could be on a beach somewhere in the world right now if I didn’t have kids. have lunch in Paris. then stop by in Denmark for some dinner.
by the time they can stand on their own I’ll be dead. so now I can only save money in hopes to help soften any financial hardships they will need to endure.
I’ve been playing around with the idea of recording some “dad’s wisdom” videos for them when they get older and I’m not around.
The video idea sounds pretty good.
I went separate ways with my ex-fiancee over this topic. It wasn’t so much as I was against having kids, I had conditions such as financial stability and owning a home. And deep down I didn’t want to take care of two people and be financially responsible for everything, my ex-fiancee already had a hard time holding down a job.
But like you said, even now that I have my own place, I’m more motivated to travel than get into that lifestyle. I’m sure I would have been a decent parent having worked in education but the tradeoffs are too steep for me.
