The 2024 election was the result of choosing the lesser evil in 2020. You can’t analyze these problems by looking at only one election at a time. In the grand scheme of things, Biden winning in 2020 was a net-negative for the country. It gave us four more years of milquetoast centrism that did nothing to reduce the appeal of MAGA. If Trump had won again in 2020, he wouldn’t have had four years to prepare for a second term. There wouldn’t have been a Project 2025.
Electoral myopia is a mortal sin of Democrats. Every election they pretend that no other election has ever happened before, and no other election will ever happen again.
And that election came as a result of decades of “lesser evil” “strategic” voting, where each election managed to be a worse more decrepit choice than the previous. Looking at these things through the lens of just this specific election is part of what has got us here. The ahistoric approach to politics is why you end up running defense for a genocider who can’t even win an election against Trump.
Apparently not allowed to have an opinion here due to a one-way application of rule 4 “lessor evil” rhetoric. So enjoy your uninformed circle-jerk in a joke sub that can’t stand up to the simplest of criticisms. You win, congratulations on posting an opinon that is explicitly protected by your mods.
“waaah waaaah you have to hear my clichés about why you have to vote for genociders waaah waaaah”
You could also just formulate what youre saying in a civil manner and not have the issue. Civility is not just about tone, but content and action as well.
If you can’t actually engage with the actual critique and facts of the matter, then why would one want to hear what you have to say?
Finally mods applying rules unevenly is something that happens everywhere, stop being pissy because you felt like it happened to you now. When I interact with something on lemmy world and people behave like shit, its me who gets moderated for responding in kind. It sucks, but Im not gonna pretend its something unique to your group.
Now I will say in this instance the rules havent been applied unevenly, youre just a pissbaby.
If you can’t actually engage with the actual critique and facts of the matter, then why would one want to hear what you have to say?
I did engage, with facts. My comment was removed because harm reduction is a contraversial topic in this community.
Per the interpretation of rule 4 by the mods, this is a manufactured echo chamber for 2024 non-voters to jack off about how great they are for not voting for a “genocider”. Fine. You all can have your safe space, and I won’t bring in basic facts like “if trump didn’t win the election because we all voted for someone else then we wouldn’t be dealing with 99% of the bullshit we’ve got today”.
I get that you all want a fantasy space where people are free to post their protected opinion with uniform agreement enforced by the moderators, you have a right to that. However, you should consider how weak those positions are when people are banned from examining them and poking at the (fairly large and obvious) holes. You know what I’d call a set of unsupported fantasies enforced by authoritarians and banned from basic examination that is detached from the actual results it produces? Religion.
As far as I can see you did not do that to my comment. Did you respond to the wrong comment?
Per the interpretation of rule 4 by the mods, this is a manufactured echo chamber for 2024 non-voters to jack off about how great they are for not voting for a “genocider”.
Call it what you want, but just be aware your favorite comm is as much of an echo chamber. The difference is that the people here exist within the same cultural hegemony you do, so they hear plenty of what you say every day. They, unlike you, are not in an echo chamber, since they hear your bs all the time. You have to seek it out.
I won’t bring in basic facts like “if trump didn’t win the election because we all voted for someone else then we wouldn’t be dealing with 99% of the bullshit we’ve got today”
I think I see the confusion. What youre presenting here is an opinion, not a fact. And it is an unfalsifiable opinion. Looking at policies and the history of the party and the candidate, I cannot agree.
However, you should consider how weak those positions are when people are banned from examining them and poking at the (fairly large and obvious) holes.
So I would again point you towards the previous thing I wrote about people hearing your clichés all the time. Id then add to that with a reassurance nobody is missing on anything if your “poking holes” is just more of you aggressively spewing text about how you think Kamala would be better. I think you would get further in these spaces if you:
Engaged with the critique people give your position
Differentiate facts from feelings
Substantiate your feelings with facts
Present your arguments civilly and engage others with an open mind
You know what I’d call a set of unsupported fantasies enforced by authoritarians and banned from basic examination that is detached from the actual results it produces? Religion.
Seems like an odd definition of religion that excluded quite a few spiritualistic practices.
I would again point you towards the thing I said before: Its like that everywhere, you just dont notice it elsewhere because you rarely spout heterodox opinions. You are now in one of the few online spaces where the western cultural hegemony isn’t the absolute baseline, and so you find yourself as part of the outgroup. Most users here will have similar stories to tell you of whatever comm you think does it well.
I think you also need to get a better understanding of authoritarian, because calling a modaction “authoritarian” is very funny.
As far as I can see you did not do that to my comment. Did you respond to the wrong comment?
No. I had a comment removed earlier that would have been basically what I would have sent back to you, but it was removed per a biased application of rule 4, no “Lessor Evil” rhetoric. I’m not going to type it all up again just have it removed. You’re welcome to find some repository of old comments and read it if it is available.
Edit: also the irony of complaining about my civility (without citation) and calling me a whiny pissbaby in the same comment is rich.
You can just find comments in the modlog. I just found yours. It had a bunch “facts” (opinions), some unsubstantiated claims, some statements that were straight up untrue, and finally it was just a disingenuous reductive statement that failed to engage with the other.
It was also a statement that diminished Democrats involvement in many of the things you take issue with. I assume that was the reasoning for having it removed. That or just it being regular trite unsubstantiated text with the regular trite rhetorical tricks that everyone sees through.
Post is explicitly about “lessor evil” (can’t even spell it right in the side bar)
Lessor is a participant of the lease who takes possession of the property and provides it as a leasing subject to the lessee for temporary possession
Mods, restore my comment, or remove the whole post or admit this is a joke sub that is about idealistic anarchist masturbatory fantasies and just ban my ass so I don’t have to keep reading the smooth-brained drivel that got the orange fascist elected in the first place, whilst being unable to interject with basic logic and facts.
Hmmm. Really seems like the government today is directly the result of not choosing the lesser evil 2 years ago.
The 2024 election was the result of choosing the lesser evil in 2020. You can’t analyze these problems by looking at only one election at a time. In the grand scheme of things, Biden winning in 2020 was a net-negative for the country. It gave us four more years of milquetoast centrism that did nothing to reduce the appeal of MAGA. If Trump had won again in 2020, he wouldn’t have had four years to prepare for a second term. There wouldn’t have been a Project 2025.
Electoral myopia is a mortal sin of Democrats. Every election they pretend that no other election has ever happened before, and no other election will ever happen again.
Only in that he wouldn’t be able to run again in 2024 if we had let the greater evil win.
So your solution to Trump having a second term, would be to give him a second term?
Your lack of nuance and reading comprehension disturbs me.
And that election came as a result of decades of “lesser evil” “strategic” voting, where each election managed to be a worse more decrepit choice than the previous. Looking at these things through the lens of just this specific election is part of what has got us here. The ahistoric approach to politics is why you end up running defense for a genocider who can’t even win an election against Trump.
Apparently not allowed to have an opinion here due to a one-way application of rule 4 “lessor evil” rhetoric. So enjoy your uninformed circle-jerk in a joke sub that can’t stand up to the simplest of criticisms. You win, congratulations on posting an opinon that is explicitly protected by your mods.
“waaah waaaah you have to hear my clichés about why you have to vote for genociders waaah waaaah”
You could also just formulate what youre saying in a civil manner and not have the issue. Civility is not just about tone, but content and action as well.
If you can’t actually engage with the actual critique and facts of the matter, then why would one want to hear what you have to say?
Finally mods applying rules unevenly is something that happens everywhere, stop being pissy because you felt like it happened to you now. When I interact with something on lemmy world and people behave like shit, its me who gets moderated for responding in kind. It sucks, but Im not gonna pretend its something unique to your group.
Now I will say in this instance the rules havent been applied unevenly, youre just a pissbaby.
I did engage, with facts. My comment was removed because harm reduction is a contraversial topic in this community.
Per the interpretation of rule 4 by the mods, this is a manufactured echo chamber for 2024 non-voters to jack off about how great they are for not voting for a “genocider”. Fine. You all can have your safe space, and I won’t bring in basic facts like “if trump didn’t win the election because we all voted for someone else then we wouldn’t be dealing with 99% of the bullshit we’ve got today”. I get that you all want a fantasy space where people are free to post their protected opinion with uniform agreement enforced by the moderators, you have a right to that. However, you should consider how weak those positions are when people are banned from examining them and poking at the (fairly large and obvious) holes. You know what I’d call a set of unsupported fantasies enforced by authoritarians and banned from basic examination that is detached from the actual results it produces? Religion.
As far as I can see you did not do that to my comment. Did you respond to the wrong comment?
Call it what you want, but just be aware your favorite comm is as much of an echo chamber. The difference is that the people here exist within the same cultural hegemony you do, so they hear plenty of what you say every day. They, unlike you, are not in an echo chamber, since they hear your bs all the time. You have to seek it out.
I think I see the confusion. What youre presenting here is an opinion, not a fact. And it is an unfalsifiable opinion. Looking at policies and the history of the party and the candidate, I cannot agree.
So I would again point you towards the previous thing I wrote about people hearing your clichés all the time. Id then add to that with a reassurance nobody is missing on anything if your “poking holes” is just more of you aggressively spewing text about how you think Kamala would be better. I think you would get further in these spaces if you:
Seems like an odd definition of religion that excluded quite a few spiritualistic practices.
I would again point you towards the thing I said before: Its like that everywhere, you just dont notice it elsewhere because you rarely spout heterodox opinions. You are now in one of the few online spaces where the western cultural hegemony isn’t the absolute baseline, and so you find yourself as part of the outgroup. Most users here will have similar stories to tell you of whatever comm you think does it well.
I think you also need to get a better understanding of authoritarian, because calling a modaction “authoritarian” is very funny.
No. I had a comment removed earlier that would have been basically what I would have sent back to you, but it was removed per a biased application of rule 4, no “Lessor Evil” rhetoric. I’m not going to type it all up again just have it removed. You’re welcome to find some repository of old comments and read it if it is available.
Edit: also the irony of complaining about my civility (without citation) and calling me a whiny pissbaby in the same comment is rich.
You can just find comments in the modlog. I just found yours. It had a bunch “facts” (opinions), some unsubstantiated claims, some statements that were straight up untrue, and finally it was just a disingenuous reductive statement that failed to engage with the other.
It was also a statement that diminished Democrats involvement in many of the things you take issue with. I assume that was the reasoning for having it removed. That or just it being regular trite unsubstantiated text with the regular trite rhetorical tricks that everyone sees through.
Cite them.
Decades of ‘lesser evil’ gave us trump
Removed by mod
Rule 4 “lessor evil rhetoric”
Post is explicitly about “lessor evil” (can’t even spell it right in the side bar)
Mods, restore my comment, or remove the whole post or admit this is a joke sub that is about idealistic anarchist masturbatory fantasies and just ban my ass so I don’t have to keep reading the smooth-brained drivel that got the orange fascist elected in the first place, whilst being unable to interject with basic logic and facts.