It sure seems like over the last 60+ years, things have progressed, albeit slowly, with Democrats in charge, and regressed when Republicans were in charge. You can draw a line from abolition to women’s suffrage to civil rights to gay marriage that all lines up with Democrats.
And what about the war in Afghanistan? What about the Patriot Act? What about the total removal of our civil liberties with complete bipartisan consensus? What about the fact that Barack Obama maintained that the US has the right to attack any country on earth if it thinks it’s harboring terrorists? What about Guantanamo Bay and the policy of indefinite detention without charge or trial? What about ICE?
When I was growing up in the 90’s, the military budget was still inflated, but nowhere near what it is now. The country was at peace (relatively). There were no masked men raiding workplaces and dragging immigrants away to camps. The idea that the government could see your data was a paranoid conspiracy theory instead of an accepted fact of life. Due process was far from perfect, but couldn’t just be ignored by the government using the word “terrorist.”
I don’t know how old you are, so maybe you’re too young to remember a time when rights existed, but you can’t convince me we haven’t regressed because I was there and I watched it happen, and it was absolutely a bipartisan effort. The Democrats refuse to commit to abolishing ICE, they have always supported the so-called “emergency measures” of the Patriot Act, they support keeping the military budget at an outrageous size, greater than the next 9 countries combined. And you ignore all those facts. Which one of us is “denying history?” Which one of us is “delusional?”
Maybe if you go all the way back to 60 years or more, you can find some progress. Over the last 30 years, what I’ve actually experienced and seen firsthand, things have absolutely regressed, and they continue getting worse no matter who’s in charge.
The long arc of history Dr. King spoke about seemed to bend in the right direction under Democrats.
The long arc of history will see Democrats bend to the left or it will see them break and be replaced.
The only reason you have a problem with me is because you know that the Democrats stand against progress. Because you know that they will resist my demand to not kill hundreds of thousands of people. If you thought they wouldn’t commit mass murder, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion.
Frankly, even if they did make progress happen domestically, which they don’t, then I would still oppose them because I am not so selfish as to vote for someone who commits mass murder abroad just because they share the plunder with me.
Like, what is gay marriage next to hundreds of thousands of dead civilians? It’s nothing. How many dead Afghans were gay? How many immigrants rounded up by ICE were gay? If we don’t have the right to not get murdered or locked up by the government for no fucking reason, then we have no rights at all.
I am queer, but I have absolutely no interest in some vision of pinkwashed imperialism. We don’t need “more gay drone pilots.” My red line is a red line, end of story. Stop committing mass murder or I will always regard you as my enemy.
I would encourage you to actually read Dr. King, btw. He understood the fact that none of us are free until all of us are free, a fact you seem to be struggling with.
What about the total removal of our civil liberties with complete bipartisan consensus?
You’ll have to be more specific.
What about the fact that Barack Obama maintained that the US has the right to attack any country on earth if it thinks it’s harboring terrorists?
Seems reasonable provided those terrorists are actively targeting the US or its allies. It’s also the kind of thing you must say as POTUS even if you have no intention of utilizing the option.
What about Guantanamo Bay and the policy of indefinite detention without charge or trial?
The electorate gave Republicans power.
What about ICE?
The electorate gave Republicans power.
When I was growing up in the 90’s, the military budget was still inflated, but nowhere near what it is now.
The electorate gave Republicans power.
The country was at peace (relatively).
The electorate gave Republicans power.
There were no masked men raiding workplaces and dragging immigrants away to camps.
The electorate gave Republicans power.
The idea that the government could see your data was a paranoid conspiracy theory instead of an accepted fact of life.
Technology advanced, and the electorate gave Republicans power.
Due process was far from perfect, but couldn’t just be ignored by the government using the word “terrorist.”
The electorate gave Republicans power.
I don’t know how old you are,
Approaching 40 faster than I’d like.
so maybe you’re too young to remember a time when rights existed, but you can’t convince me we haven’t regressed because I was there and I watched it happen,
The electorate gave Republicans power.
and it was absolutely a bipartisan effort.
It was 90% Republicans, whom you wish to empower, and 10% Democrats, who did all those good things I mentioned earlier, but you don’t want to reward them for doing the right thing 90% of the time even though the alternative is a party that does evil 100% of the time.
Maybe if you go all the way back to 60 years or more, you can find some progress.
I can find progress in the last 20 years. Gay rights, the end of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, reforms in the healthcare industry, … why am I bothering?
Over the last 30 years, what I’ve actually experienced and seen firsthand, things have absolutely regressed,
The electorate gave Republicans power.
and they continue getting worse no matter who’s in charge.
Things were getting better under Clinton, Obama, and Biden, especially during their brief periods where Democrats had control of both chambers of Congress alongside the White House. Unfortunately, for much of the last 40 years, the electorate gave Republicans power.
I would encourage you to actually read Dr. King, btw.
I have. Have you? Let me quote Dr. King for you:
The Negro has been betrayed by both the Democratic and Republican Party. The Democrats have betrayed us by capitulating to the whims and caprices of the southern dixiecrats. The Republicans have betrayed us by capitulating to the blatent hypocrisy of conservative right wing northerners. This coalition of southern dixiecrats and right wing northern Republicans defeats every move toward liberal legislation in Congress. So we confront the problem of choosing the lesser of two evils. At this point I might say however, that I feel that the Negro must remain an independent voter, not becoming unduly tied to either party. He should seek to vote for the party which is more concerned with the welfare of all the people.
Dr. King understood strategic voting for the lesser of two evils and espoused its virtues. Perhaps you should read Dr. King more rigorously and actually learn form it.
He understood the fact that none of us are free until all of us are free, a fact you seem to be struggling with.
He understood electoral realities. A fact you seem to be struggling with.
Not a single one of those things was “because the electorate gave Republicans power.” Literally every single one of those examples is something Democrats also fully supported, which is why I brought them up.
Seems reasonable provided those terrorists are actively targeting the US or its allies. It’s also the kind of thing you must say as POTUS even if you have no intention of utilizing the option.
You really are an imperialist through and through, huh? You think your empire has sovereignty over the entire world.
Approaching 40 faster than I’d like.
Then you have no excuse.
It was 90% Republicans, whom you wish to empower, and 10% Democrats, who did all those good things I mentioned earlier, but you don’t want to reward them for doing the right thing 90% of the time even though the alternative is a party that does evil 100% of the time.
Nope. As I said, they both did every single thing I mentioned. Every single one.
Only someone like you, who has zero problem with invading a sovereign country in an unprovoked act of aggression, occupying it for two decades, killing hundreds of thousands of civilians, who maintains that the US has jurisdiction over the entire globe, whose only problem with the Republicans is that they aren’t doing fascism competently enough, could possibly think that the Democrats “do the right thing 90% of the time.” Completely and utterly delusional. Or should I say, completely and utterly depraved? I suppose from your perspective as a fascist, maybe they do do what you think is right 90% of the time. But, since I am not a fascist, from my perspective they do the right thing virtually never.
This, of course, you will never understand. Because you refuse to examine your own ideas and values, you cannot understand how anyone could hold different ones. At the same time, you are completely ignorant of history, even the parts that you lived through, not even knowing that the Democrats supported every single issue I mentioned.
If you’ve gotten this far in your life without learning to think critically or pay attention or even just to not be a bloodthirsty, warmongering imperialist, then what are the odds you’ll start thinking now?
You should be happy, you have two major parties that both support your desire to kill foreigners. You have everything you could possibly desire, no matter who wins. I know, you might be worried that the Republicans aren’t as competent so they might not kill as many innocent foreigners as you like, but think about my perspective. I don’t want to kill foreigners at all, and I don’t have virtually anyone in government who represents that view at all. And yeah, I know, it drives you up the wall that anyone in the entire country, no matter how small their voice, could ever disagree with your crazed desire for mass murder, but like, have you tried meditation or therapy? Or perhaps digging up photos of dead Afghans to jerk off to, you know, relive the good ol’ days when your favorite imperialists were conquering and subjugating the lesser races?
In any case, you efforts are completely wasted talking to me, because I do not share your sick and twisted desires or values. You might as well try to convince people on Truth Social, because they’re closer to you ideologically than I am.
Historically, there were people in the US who believed that individual native people could be “saved” and “civilized,” so long as their cultures were utterly destroyed by force, slaughtering all those who resisted. And there were those who believed that they were just inherently lesser, so the only thing to do was to kill them all. Today, nothing much has changed, the same political divide exists in the two parties, only that your kind got tired of killing natives and moved on to Middle Easterners. And if you had your way, there would be as few left of them as there are indigenous people. Only one of us has broken with that ideological tradition of genocide. Take you back a few hundred years ago and you’d be slaughtering Native Americans, all the while congratulating yourself on how “progressive” you are for “civilizing” the survivors. The far right has been right there alongside you the whole time, you just have a few minor disagreements about what to do after the slaughter. I stand for something entirely different, entirely alien to you, because I oppose the slaughter and your white supremacist “civilizing mission” altogether.
And what about the war in Afghanistan? What about the Patriot Act? What about the total removal of our civil liberties with complete bipartisan consensus? What about the fact that Barack Obama maintained that the US has the right to attack any country on earth if it thinks it’s harboring terrorists? What about Guantanamo Bay and the policy of indefinite detention without charge or trial? What about ICE?
When I was growing up in the 90’s, the military budget was still inflated, but nowhere near what it is now. The country was at peace (relatively). There were no masked men raiding workplaces and dragging immigrants away to camps. The idea that the government could see your data was a paranoid conspiracy theory instead of an accepted fact of life. Due process was far from perfect, but couldn’t just be ignored by the government using the word “terrorist.”
I don’t know how old you are, so maybe you’re too young to remember a time when rights existed, but you can’t convince me we haven’t regressed because I was there and I watched it happen, and it was absolutely a bipartisan effort. The Democrats refuse to commit to abolishing ICE, they have always supported the so-called “emergency measures” of the Patriot Act, they support keeping the military budget at an outrageous size, greater than the next 9 countries combined. And you ignore all those facts. Which one of us is “denying history?” Which one of us is “delusional?”
Maybe if you go all the way back to 60 years or more, you can find some progress. Over the last 30 years, what I’ve actually experienced and seen firsthand, things have absolutely regressed, and they continue getting worse no matter who’s in charge.
The long arc of history will see Democrats bend to the left or it will see them break and be replaced.
The only reason you have a problem with me is because you know that the Democrats stand against progress. Because you know that they will resist my demand to not kill hundreds of thousands of people. If you thought they wouldn’t commit mass murder, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion.
Frankly, even if they did make progress happen domestically, which they don’t, then I would still oppose them because I am not so selfish as to vote for someone who commits mass murder abroad just because they share the plunder with me.
Like, what is gay marriage next to hundreds of thousands of dead civilians? It’s nothing. How many dead Afghans were gay? How many immigrants rounded up by ICE were gay? If we don’t have the right to not get murdered or locked up by the government for no fucking reason, then we have no rights at all.
I am queer, but I have absolutely no interest in some vision of pinkwashed imperialism. We don’t need “more gay drone pilots.” My red line is a red line, end of story. Stop committing mass murder or I will always regard you as my enemy.
I would encourage you to actually read Dr. King, btw. He understood the fact that none of us are free until all of us are free, a fact you seem to be struggling with.
The electorate gave Republicans power.
The electorate gave Republicans power.
You’ll have to be more specific.
Seems reasonable provided those terrorists are actively targeting the US or its allies. It’s also the kind of thing you must say as POTUS even if you have no intention of utilizing the option.
The electorate gave Republicans power.
The electorate gave Republicans power.
The electorate gave Republicans power.
The electorate gave Republicans power.
The electorate gave Republicans power.
Technology advanced, and the electorate gave Republicans power.
The electorate gave Republicans power.
Approaching 40 faster than I’d like.
The electorate gave Republicans power.
It was 90% Republicans, whom you wish to empower, and 10% Democrats, who did all those good things I mentioned earlier, but you don’t want to reward them for doing the right thing 90% of the time even though the alternative is a party that does evil 100% of the time.
I can find progress in the last 20 years. Gay rights, the end of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, reforms in the healthcare industry, … why am I bothering?
The electorate gave Republicans power.
Things were getting better under Clinton, Obama, and Biden, especially during their brief periods where Democrats had control of both chambers of Congress alongside the White House. Unfortunately, for much of the last 40 years, the electorate gave Republicans power.
I have. Have you? Let me quote Dr. King for you:
Dr. King understood strategic voting for the lesser of two evils and espoused its virtues. Perhaps you should read Dr. King more rigorously and actually learn form it.
He understood electoral realities. A fact you seem to be struggling with.
Not a single one of those things was “because the electorate gave Republicans power.” Literally every single one of those examples is something Democrats also fully supported, which is why I brought them up.
You really are an imperialist through and through, huh? You think your empire has sovereignty over the entire world.
Then you have no excuse.
Nope. As I said, they both did every single thing I mentioned. Every single one.
Only someone like you, who has zero problem with invading a sovereign country in an unprovoked act of aggression, occupying it for two decades, killing hundreds of thousands of civilians, who maintains that the US has jurisdiction over the entire globe, whose only problem with the Republicans is that they aren’t doing fascism competently enough, could possibly think that the Democrats “do the right thing 90% of the time.” Completely and utterly delusional. Or should I say, completely and utterly depraved? I suppose from your perspective as a fascist, maybe they do do what you think is right 90% of the time. But, since I am not a fascist, from my perspective they do the right thing virtually never.
This, of course, you will never understand. Because you refuse to examine your own ideas and values, you cannot understand how anyone could hold different ones. At the same time, you are completely ignorant of history, even the parts that you lived through, not even knowing that the Democrats supported every single issue I mentioned.
If you’ve gotten this far in your life without learning to think critically or pay attention or even just to not be a bloodthirsty, warmongering imperialist, then what are the odds you’ll start thinking now?
You should be happy, you have two major parties that both support your desire to kill foreigners. You have everything you could possibly desire, no matter who wins. I know, you might be worried that the Republicans aren’t as competent so they might not kill as many innocent foreigners as you like, but think about my perspective. I don’t want to kill foreigners at all, and I don’t have virtually anyone in government who represents that view at all. And yeah, I know, it drives you up the wall that anyone in the entire country, no matter how small their voice, could ever disagree with your crazed desire for mass murder, but like, have you tried meditation or therapy? Or perhaps digging up photos of dead Afghans to jerk off to, you know, relive the good ol’ days when your favorite imperialists were conquering and subjugating the lesser races?
In any case, you efforts are completely wasted talking to me, because I do not share your sick and twisted desires or values. You might as well try to convince people on Truth Social, because they’re closer to you ideologically than I am.
Historically, there were people in the US who believed that individual native people could be “saved” and “civilized,” so long as their cultures were utterly destroyed by force, slaughtering all those who resisted. And there were those who believed that they were just inherently lesser, so the only thing to do was to kill them all. Today, nothing much has changed, the same political divide exists in the two parties, only that your kind got tired of killing natives and moved on to Middle Easterners. And if you had your way, there would be as few left of them as there are indigenous people. Only one of us has broken with that ideological tradition of genocide. Take you back a few hundred years ago and you’d be slaughtering Native Americans, all the while congratulating yourself on how “progressive” you are for “civilizing” the survivors. The far right has been right there alongside you the whole time, you just have a few minor disagreements about what to do after the slaughter. I stand for something entirely different, entirely alien to you, because I oppose the slaughter and your white supremacist “civilizing mission” altogether.
ROFLMFAO. Not a single one? Sure, bud.
Both Republicans and Democrats supported every single one of those things. You can deny reality all you want, you’re just factually wrong.
No wonder you support the Democrats when you’re so ignorant of basic facts.