White Nationalists #nazis showed up in Kamloops today to protest ahead of Truth and Reconciliation Day.
Screaming about masks during Covid, hiding behind them during MAGA. So brave.
Sorry, this is Canada, eh?
Bad news, MAGA is totally in Canada. that’s what wexit is about. americans are funding the propaganda driving wexit
I’m willing to bet many of them are supporters of the orange moron too.
Only good Nazi is a dead Nazi.
Sorry can’t kill an ideology with violence only create martyr and future flare up this is a job for education and address socioeconomic factors that allow vulnerable people to be sucked into supremacist gangs.
Two truths that are not in conflict with each oner: 1) fascism is a systemic issue and as ideology will outlive any individual; 2) fascist individuals should not be tolerated
Idk, it worked pretty well in the 1940s.
“They say the prisoner of Spandau was a symbol of defeat Whilst Hess remained in prison, and the fascists they were beat
So the promise of an Aryan world wold never materialize
So why did they all come out of the woodwork on the day the Nazi died” - Chumbawumba
(We didn’t kill enough Nazis the first time)
The world is riddled with maggots and the maggots are getting fat.
Love that song and Chumbawumba is the best punk band ever.
then explain 2026
Sure.
70 years after we fought a war to defeat fascism, it has been resurrected under the guise of American conservative populisim, in no small part because people have forgotten the lesson of WWII.I mean, if you’re under the impression that we can somehow defeat fascism for all time then never ever have to worry about it ever again, then you’ll be sadly disappointed. Freedom requires vigilance.
I understand how that’s an appealing narrative that helps you make sense of the world and manage your feelings, and in that sense it is a very good narrative. But it’s not reality. The solution you’re so proud of requires a mass purge every three generations, and you think that’s just the way it has to be. Fully buying in to a narrative built around a cosmic conflict between good and evil FFS is buying in to the whole model of fascism. The ruling class WANTS the slaughter, the boom, the crunch, the conflict, and the next slaughter. Every step in the cycle, they ratchet their power and wealth. It’s not an accident that it keeps happening, and the solution isn’t just to play your role on the other side of the stage. It isn’t naive kids playing nazi who are your enemy, you naive kid playing WWII conscript. Fascism never ever occurs in the absence of wealthy capitalists. Shooting their employees doesn’t fucking solve anything.
Did it? WWII worked well? 100 million. Dead. Huge economic ruin.
Yet the decades after were the most prosperous in the history of the human race. Sounds like it was worth it.
Not so. Not remotely. You know when the other most prosperous times were? After plagues, famines, wars, and other mass deaths. Not the gloat you wish it was.
Not the gloat you wish it was
Except what I said, which was “the most prosperous in the history of the human race” is 100% true. Quality of life for essentially everyone in the entire world went up in the 2nd half of the 20th century way beyond what they were before, even in countries like North Korea and Somalia. Advancements in technology, medicine, and globalization brought wealth to billions, much of which was due to the world order brought about by the allied powers.
Also, not sure why you think fighting fascism in that war was such a bad thing. Do you really think we’d be better off if the Nazis were not opposed?
Half your point is that is was bad for the economy?
That’s not how points of logic work. You only need one. If you reject some of them and others remain, you haven’t gotten anywhere except to be a distraction. Didn’t move the discussion anywhere.
Idiot.
Yea but it’s fun though. And most of these Nazis are middle class and have most of the world handed to them.
If you can afford to dress like a Nazi you can afford to not be a fucking Nazi.
If their cause is so noble, why hide their faces?
There are a few reports coming in from this thread. I’m open to changing my mind on any of the following, but the reason why I haven’t taken action on a few of the reports is as follows:
I think that it is both valid to question why these people are covering their faces, while also noting that covering your face isn’t “bad” in all cases. The same comment (“if they think they’re right, why hide their faces”) is also used against protestors when they push against the government. Based on the context, I think that’s the point that the other users in this thread wanted to make, but did so poorly. I don’t think those other users are in support of the white nationalists in the post, but rather they picked a bad example.
The difference between the two situations comes down to why the face is covered and what power that serves. Generally:
- In rallies such as this, the face covering is for intimidation and group identity, and using anonymity to threaten the targeted minority group. It is also intended to hide the person from their community members, because of shame and embarrassment.
- In protests, the face covering is to avoid retaliation from the authority figures that the person is protesting against. They rarely hide their thoughts and feelings about the matter from their community members.
Again, there is some overlap, but that it is why it’s usually more valid to criticize the former and not the latter.
As for the second argument, I think there is a misunderstanding between ‘human trafficking’ and ‘human smuggling’. Human trafficking is almost always defined as the exploitative practice, where the person being moved is being harmed. Human smuggling can take different forms, but it is not necessarily harming the person being moved. The example of the Underground Railroad and the networks that help refugees and victims escape harm, those would fall under the label of “Human Smuggling”, but the terms are often confused.
So overall I think the issues in this thread come from users making errors, rather than malice, and so I haven’t taken specific moderation actions. But again, open to changing my mind and taking action if more info is brought to light.
The underground railroad needed anonymity.
I don’t agree with your argument.
Two entirely different functions, one of which requires anonymity by default. What a silly comparison.
This is a demonstration not an underground resistance movement. They’re supposed to be proudly demonstrating what they believe.
The point is that the nobility of the event isn’t what defines being hidden or not.
You can find other demonstrations against oppressors that require hiding identity from those oppressors.
Just because you lack the ability to disagree with Nazis on a moral or political basis doesn’t mean empty platitudes should be celebrated.
The Underground Railroad wasn’t in the business of swaying politics
It absolutely was about fighting a political fight.
This is the hill you die on? Really?
I don’t really care if the people that think the problem with fascist movements is anonymity don’t know what politics are.
Trafficking people was the only political tool they had to fight against oppression at the time, they weren’t able to lead to a larger change in society so they were reserved to impacting change on an individual level.
Trafficking people
Are you still talking about the underground railroad?
the underground railroad was moving people illegally, sure the people consented but so do quite a few human trafficking victims (intially).
Given that’s what you were replying to, what else do you think I would be talking about?
Lol
Just about the falsest of equivalences that ever false-equivalenced. The Underground Railroad was humans trying to survive unspeakable conditions, it formed spontaneously, out of necessity. Nazism is humans trying to bring back those unspeakable conditions, it forms by choice, out of hatred and fear. The consequence of UR members losing their anonymity was torturous death for themselves and their loved ones, the consequences of these shitstains losing their anonymity is, at most, justified social ostracization. If the world knowing what you really believe means good, reasonable people think you’re a piece of shit, maybe it’s time to reflect on those beliefs, eh?
So you see how face covering isn’t the problem right?
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Racism is the ideology of the moron
Society works because human evolution happens at the rate of learning and communicating new behaviors – exponentially faster and more effective than genetic evolution. The human genome has changed exceptionally little for hundreds of thousands of years, and so called “race” is the fantasy nonsense that its somehow possible to tell the contents of a person’s mind just by the light bouncing of their skin.
I don’t think its enough to call it stupid, we gotta start attacking the root assumptions that drive the ideology.
Sure, but how do you stop a moron from perpetuating their destructive stupidity?
It’s about their capacity to understand and behave reasonably. We got a long way to go.
You start with education. It’s not enough to just negate something (“racism bad”) you gotta replace it with a different idea. Otherwise it just sprouts back up. You would not believe the number of well meaning teenagers who’ve told me eugenics is actually a good idea if we could just do selective breeding programmes without the racism.
I do agree it starts with education, but I think we need to tackle more of a fundamental element of teaching people how to be a reasonable human that isn’t so easily jerked around by their base emotions. Otherwise stupid ideas will still reach and resonate with stupid people and the danger of creating a moron is still high.
It seems like, in a way, you’re suggesting that I’m over-simplifying the issue but I think you’ve misunderstood me, and it’s ironic that I’m suggesting that your idea is the one that doesn’t go far enough.
But I like calling them big dumb doo-doo heads.
Your way requires reading and shit.
Legalizing violence against conservative terrorists would solve this kind of bullshit instantly.
in your tough guy fantasy, only
Can I be honest for one second? There’s not even a need for a tough guy bullshit. I’m astounded that not a single nutbag hasn’t shot at these kinds of fuckers.
It is legal to be violent against civil rights activitists. The only time right wing people are prosecuted is after intense pressure applied on authorities and they know this.
Tell you the uncomfortable reality, these fuck wits have to be beaten every time the step out. Anything less and they think there is some sort of acceptance of them.
Why do you think they use violence?
You’re expressing yourself emotionally. That’s valid. But you can’t also make a serious point at the same time. People ranting and swearing while they casually discuss taking human life on online forums are rarely serious people who have any idea what they are talking about.
Oh boy. You’re gonna be so surprised when being nice doesn’t get rid of the fascists.
We don’t have to be tough to eliminate the conservative threat. We just have to be willing to finish Sherman’s work.
Hey Canadians,
You guys need to snuff this flame out now. Whether through serious jail time, or even feeding them to the bears
Don’t let the weed take root, otherwise you’ll wind up like the U.S.
It’s too late now, we already showed them they could march across the whole country and terrorize a city for weeks without repercussions. We need to take more action, absolutely, but I wouldn’t call this one a small or easy flame to take out anymore.
Letting them setup in Ottawa was a mistake.
It should be legal for anyone to punch a nazi.
With a baseball bat. Right in the nose.
Imagine refusing so hard to take responsibility for your own life that you will blame all minorities instead of looking in a fucking mirror.
In their defense, it is hard to look in a mirror when you have a white hood on.
The Big Three news outlets in Canada pretty much ignored this story until the Kamloops local paper and social media picked it up. Now they’re all over it, pretending they were there first.
And they’re all missing the crucial point.
Second Sons are working very hard to stick to the rule of law, while instilling fear. They’re showing up in groups like this in smaller communities. They’re not in Calgary or Toronto or Vancouver, they’re north of Edmonton, or Orillia or Millarville.
They show up, dress to intimidate, act to intimidate, but don’t actually threaten. They post overt dogwhistle slogans, “Je me souviens d’un Quebec blanc” or “Indian trucks kill canucks”) which they could plausibly explain away as something else, if forced to stand on trial.
They’re getting bolder, which means they’re going to try to goad their victims into acting. They’ll obey the RCMP or local police (if the force is sufficient) without hesitation because as long as they keep showing up, as long as they keep scaring people, as long as they are able to avoid consequences for their actions, they’ll be able to hurt some people and recruit others.
They need to be driven out by the people every time they show their…well not faces, but cowardly masks. They need to be not shot or injured, but maybe detained until the police can unmask and identify them by name.
We need to publish their names. We need (and I can’t believe I would ever say this) to doxx them - to make them fear for their lives if they keep threatening society.
We need to break the back of their movement, and the media isn’t helping one goddamn bit.
Rachel Gilmore does fantastic journalist coverage and a great job of calling out specific names and people associated with it. She has been threatened quite brazenly for it, but she’s also a badass that continues to do it. We need more Rachels.
Does that guy really have shorts with FAP written on his dick???
Idk what to tell ya, alpha and whatnot
I hope the RCMP takes this seriously but knowing cops makes me think they’re more apt to protect the fascists from anyone who tries to interfere with their intimidation tactics. I sincerely hope I’m wrong though, this shit is pathetic and needs to stop.
Euro here: what is truth and reconcilliation day? (And why do these masked asshats even exist,…but I digress)
Settler violence reached abhorrent, crimes against humanity level of evil when the Canadian government, aided by the Catholic church, abducted indigenous children from their homes and forced them into residential schools in an attempt to force their (indigenous people generally) complete assimilation into western norms and culture. Many sufferred horrific abuse while there, many died; the trauma is generational.
These degenerate losers deny it or embrace it.
TRC is a day we set aside to remember them and our need to heal.
Minor detail, but it wasn’t just the Catholic Church. It was all Christian denominations.
but mostly catholics.
Just to add to Brilliants comment, these residential schools were not shut down completely, until 1996.
well into the Pierre Trudeau administrations.
The town of Kamloops was where one of the most recent unveilings of atrocities of the residential school system. It was a program to “help” the indigenous people adjust to the colonial usurpation of their lands and way of life.
What it actually resulted in massive mistreatment, atrocities, genocide, and erasure of the students in their care.
A site in Kamloops recently(inside the last 15 years) was revealed to have found another 50 ish bodies that were hidden.
The holiday truth and reconciliation was created a few years ago to acknowledge the problem and it was a big deal because it also was the first time the government of Canada officially acknowledged it
What it actually resulted in massive mistreatment, atrocities, genocide, and erasure of the students in their care.
This is a really high level description, which makes it harder to understand how fucked up it was.
https://nctr.ca/education/residential-school-history/
I really recommend anyone unfamiliar with the history to read at least this one webpage.
Somebody replied with what happened already, so I will add that this day (Sept 30th) is Canada acknowledging the crimes of the government and church with Truth and hopefully Reconciliation of those events with the Indigenous people…
But heres the Truth: Our government didn’t make it a federal holiday, so only some provinces treat it as a holiday where you can go and watch an indigenous celebration. When it was instituted our Premier (Trudeau) was in British Columbia on the Holiday and rather than meet with the Indigenous leaders at a celebration, he went to his island home to chill out. To me this showed exactly how much Canada cared about Reconciliation.
Also, the church still refuses to admit they did anything wrong, and in Ontario, half our schools are run by the same cult of pedophilic sex offenders.
Yeah now I’m in BC I forgot about the Catholic School Board in Ontario. We don’t have that here. (Our education taxes can go to registered individual schools at 50% rate, but not the 100% amount likebyou can designate public or separate in Ontario)
When it was instituted our Premier (Trudeau) was in British Columbia on the Holiday and rather than meet with the Indigenous leaders at a
celebrationobservation, he went to his island home to chill out. To me this showed exactly how much Canada cared about Reconciliation.It was a huge political blunder. The sort of mistake that doesn’t make sense at all until you remember that he spent the day with his wife, and got divorced not long after. He was trying to save his marriage. He shouldn’t’ve let his marriage get so precarious that he’d have to make a fuckup like that to try to save it, so I’m not excusing him, but I think it helps to understand it.
Is that the coverup story for the blunder? You could easily do both in the same day here.
I don’t know what you mean by both, it’s not a coverup story. It’s my attempt to understand how a politician so obsessed with virtue signaling could fuck it up so badly. It’s the only explanation I’ve seen that makes any sense.
Is there another explanation?
You could meet indigenous leaders for an hour and still go work on your relationship later. We don’t know that he was working on his marriage, other than if he offered that as an excuse later. As a leader of the country you sort of need to put the job ahead of personal plans
I’m deeply touched to learn that not only do the Canadian people stand up against these horrible events. But they do so out of their own vollition.
I love you guys. I hope that Canada and Europe getting closer will bring that same spirit back here.
Well there is progress but the RCMP still treat the Indigenous like dogs in many places. Thy would drive walk drunken indigenous out of town to a snowy area to sober up and leave them there. Many froze to death.
https://assembly.nu.ca/library/Edocs/2006/001248-e.pdf
Old habits :/
This reads like “we investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong”
Oh shit I thought that doc was an indictment not a defense.
The RCMP systematically exterminated dog teams that were used for transportation etc. very effectively destroying the ability for those communities to be self sufficient.
https://www.rcaanc-cirnac.gc.ca/eng/1732300419996/1732300456676
When the dogs were killed, Inuit were abruptly forced into settlements, adopting a non-Inuk way of life that severed their vital connection to the animals, land, and sea, as well as the traditions that had been passed down for as long as can be remembered.
This should be a better account of the impact of this.
Thanks for your effort!
@FreddiesLantern Truth and reconciliation is an ongoing process of uncovering painful historical wrongs committed by a government or dominant society, acknowledging the truth, and working to repair broken relationships. - Wikipedia
I think it’s something to do with the day the Truth and Reconciliation crashed into the Halo, accidentally releasing the flood. Edit: I kept reading and it’s not that.
weird their protest sign is just a black man
I’m probably getting wooshed, but that’s a Canadian crosswalk sign.
It really looks like a sign being held up among the flags
It really does! I had to zoom in…
So superior to us coloured people that they’re too afraid to show their faces.
They all live their lives in a state of constant fear, using any and every real world excuse to stay that way.
When they don’t have their masks on, they wear blue.
All masked up.
Curious…
(Fuck nazis BTW)
And not a one of them looks in the least bit imposing. Do you think they go home at night, look in the mirror, and feel inadequate? I bet they do.
Lmfao them wearing all black but then going out of their ways to wear white skimasks is so fucking pathetic
