• Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org
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    2 months ago

    To be fair, I find the idea of a government outsourcing IT needs to entities under the sovereignty of foreign governments kind of fundamentally problematic to begin with.

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    2 months ago

    Once these countries leave, they’ll never go back. And then the rest of us get better alternatives to this enshitification model.

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      2 months ago

      Seriously, enshitification is the only thing US companies do well these days. They just dig deeper moats around their walled gardens because they’re too greedy to make decent products that people actually want.

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    2 months ago

    Now replace Windows with Linux, and fucking invest into not needing to use American-controlled CPUs as every single one of them contains a backdoor.

    I don’t understand why governments trust official matters in the hands of closed source software and suspicious hardware. Even China uses a special version of Windows 11 in public computers, this is nuts.

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      2 months ago

      and fucking invest into not needing to use American-controlled CPUs as every single one of them contains a backdoor.

      China has been working intensely for at least 2 decades to catch up, and they are still about a decade behind!

      Netherlands has ASML which is a huge advantage for European independent manufacturing, but even with that it’s an insanely expensive investment to make a realistic competitor to AMD, Intel, Nvidia, Qualcomm, Broadcom etc. because they have loads of patents that are hard to avoid, and they have decades of know how. This is not even accounting for the software infra structure that would have to be built almost from scratch.
      Chip production is a global enterprise, and even USA isn’t independent anymore. They depend on ASML and TSMC for their most popular products in AI, Smartphones, servers, laptops and desktops. And more and more Arm is taking over from Intel/AMD.

      What we may be able to do would be using Arm and have TSMC help us with manufacturing. But to make such a project succeed is not an easy thing, we had European computer companies in the 70’s and 80’s that were heavily subsidized by governments that dominated home markets for several European countries, and they essentially all failed against international competition.
      So what we risk if we were required to use a European product funded by EU/European governments would be to have to use an overpriced under-performing technology, that would be a millstone around the neck of all of Europe, making Europe not catch up, but instead fall further behind.

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        2 months ago

        they have loads of patents that are hard to avoid

        China doesn’t care about patents of outsiders.

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          2 months ago

          Seems to me that it’s time for the rest of the world to invalidate US IP and go from there.

      • shrugs@lemmy.world
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        2 months ago

        He is talking about software. A fucking video conferencing tool not controlled by American tech is no ASML level investment.

        We could at least start with this