That’s why I meant the SoC used by upcoming Steam Frame, specifically. They won’t ship a device that runs like crap.

So when do you think we will get good ARM laptops and who will come on top?

Whichever vendor sticks the same Snapdragon as the Steam Frame into a notebook.

There will always be limitations unless massive changes occur such as Google open sourcing their Play Services as part of AOSP. MicroG has limited resources to implement compatibility.

Then you are off-topic as well.

No. Pelespirit asked about Jolla which is mentioned in the article. I gave context for Jolla’s Android compatibility. It’s 100% on topic.

/e/OS is based on LineageOS.

And: “The Android compatibility layer of SailfishOS is based on AOSP, so the stack to get the most important 3rd party apps working relies as much on AOSP as any Android ROM.”

I don’t see it really as a downside compared to Android, since no OEM is running clean AOSP.

This article is about Fairphone with /e/OS, not some other OEM with a proprietary Android variant.

Are there any downsides to this? There has to be, right.

SailfishOS userland is proprietary software. AOSP is more open than SailfishOS. The Android compatibility layer of SailfishOS is based on AOSP, so the stack to get the most important 3rd party apps working relies as much on AOSP as any Android ROM.

Upside of SailfishOS: There is a decent chance that the upcoming Linux ARM version of Steam + Proton will run directly on that device.

No backups, no pity.

Could you give examples?

AMD, Intel. To a lesser degree Qualcomm. (I wrote platform designer, not notebook manufacturer.)

I don’t really understand which models to look at specifically.

As long as it’s without NVidia graphics and WiFi/Bluetooth not by Broadcom, it should be alright.

Which apps are launched from their website?

Relevant because Neo has it built in.

The difference in manufacturing cost compared to the iPad Air is pocket change, way less than a M4 CPU would cost. It’s just Apple ripping off its customers as usual.

How about a travel bag to hold all this extra equipment?

Completely irrelevant to the topic that Apple the cost of the Neo is not reasonable.

Did you read the post?

You replied to my post and I compared Apple hardware to Apple hardware.

How much for a 13" display to match the real estate of the Neo display?

Look up the costs of 11" and 13" HiDPI displays and subtract the costs yourself. I’m sure you can do it. I bought an excellent 14" external HiDPI USB C monitor for 40 Euro recently.

A18 Pro? Intel? Neither CPU is used in the MacBook Neo nor the 599 iPad.

indeed does seem to be false.

That’s from 5 years ago. Let’s look what Apple themselves say about that topic:

Personal Data Apple Collects from You

Usage Data. Data about your activity on and use of our offerings, such as app launches within our services, including browsing history; search history; product interaction; crash data, performance and other diagnostic data; and other usage data

https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/

you have to spend $270 on a keyboard/trackpad regardless

That’s Apple tax, not manufacturing cost. MacBook replacement keyboards sell for 10 dollars on Aliexpress.

iOS/iPadOS puts OS-level limits on how much you can even take advantage of that hardware even if there is an iOS app for the thing you want to do

I’m comparing hardware to hardware, not artificial Apple software restrictions.

How about a keyboard that is similar to the Neo keyboard?

10 dollars and that’s retail, not manufacturing cost.

How much does each USB port cost per device?

A 5-pack of USB C ports costs about one dollar on Aliexpress.

Isn’t it about 40% cheaper than the M4 CPU macbook ?

It’s 100% the same price as another portable M4 computer sold by Apple

How soon until Asahi will run on it

Years. Asahi fully relies on reverse engineering by the community and those community members tend to get hired by the competition. Get a device where the platform designer supports Linux development upstream if your priority is Linux.