I am just going to tell you guys a story of my linux journey, if you are interested, you can read.
So i have a laptop, which have intel i3 7020U, 4gb RAM and a 256gb of storage. Windows 10 lagged a lot on my laptop and windows 11 was even not available for it. So i switched to the iot ltsc version, still no difference. Then i switched to ubuntu my first ever linux experience. It was very fast, snappy, i started to love it but i leaved it, because my touchpad was not working very well on it (yeah i just leaved it for some touchpad issue) then i tried linux mint, zorin and fedora, the touchpad had the same issue. Unless i switched to opensuse, my touchpad worked great on it. After some days i just got bored and i wanted to distro hope again and i found out fedora just got a new update and the touchpad was working great! I remained there for 2-3 days but i hated gnome experience Even on a laptop. So i switched to mint and then zorin and then i thought to try something new. I tried Arch. I used kde with it, and i just loved it the most. First two install of arch was manual and then after that all the installations was using archinstall. I have reinstalled arch 100+ times i don’t know i just like to do that. I tried xfce, i stayed on hyprland for so much time, i tried lxqt, and so much, Then shifted to kde again. And one day on fmhy i find a index of linux distros in which cachyos was ranking out of every distro. I just tried it and what the hell it was sooo fast, I just don’t know what to say but i am still on it (i have reinstalled it like 20 times) but I love cachyos from my heart. On my laptop with that specs i hit 200+ fps on minecraft in max settings and max chunks which is great.
I even recommended linux to my friend, now my one friend use Arch and he doesn’t want to switch to cachy because he didn’t like the name :). And on my friend laptop i installed cachyos and he is loving it so far he said this laptop was unusable and now works super fast
I have reinstalled arch 100+ times
You what?
Brazenly stealing this from a thread I saw earlier today about different distros, I feel like it fits. :)
Exactly this. I have tried many different distros, but I always end up sticking with mint for casual day use and pop os for gaming with my Nvidia GPU laptop. Mainly, because easy of use and simplicity on daily drivers and because pop os is the only distro that fixes the issue with Nvidia rtx cards being fed full wattage instead of constraining it to mere 60% cap for whatever reason, which hurt my gaming performance in return drastically until I have figured out what is happening. Pop os has its own share of problems tho, mainly the WiFi adapter driver issue where it doesn’t like invisible SSID’s, so it keeps dropping the connection every minute unless you unhidd your SSID.
Stealing this from you, for research purposes.
it’s super snappy and fast isn’t it?
Then i switched to ubuntu my first ever linux experience. It was very fast, snappy
Coming off Windows, even modern Ubuntu feels “snappy” (nice I see what you did there).
I use Ubuntu and have never had issues with it. I liked my time on Bazzite but Ubuntu just feels like home. Bazzite didn’t feel any snappier than Ubuntu does, and both feel miles ahead of Win11 on our work computers.
The reason why my tone about Ubuntu was like that, is, because Ubuntu used to be slow and sluggish experience in some cases, when the Snap was introduced. It wasn’t good back then. Sure I’m a bit exaggerating for the lolz and so on. I actually don’t know how good Ubuntu feels nowadays. Ubuntu was my Linux system I installed in 2008 to replace Windows XP (!) and kept using for about 13 years or so. So I saw its ups and downs first hand until 2022 or something like that when I changed to different distribution.
Okay very good to know. I see so much smack talk about Ubuntu and never really know why. I get users people don’t like Gnome as much as KDE.
I guess for my use case which is very minimal compared to most, Ubuntu works great. I get all my real creative work done on Mac and Ubuntu is just my fun machine.
You know we Linux people (generalization I know) are a bit sensitive, and some people (admittedly me too) tend to exaggerate either for fun or by pure hate or even in some cases without knowing what is happening. And if you didn’t follow what happened, then you might not even understand why. There was issues what Ubuntu did in the past. If you have no experience with that, and you are happy with your setup, then keep using it. I’m not here to mud the fun of the users.
I installed Ubuntu in recent years a few times in Virtual Machines. Its a fine distribution. There are edge cases where some people have a problem with, and those are the loudest. This is basically Linux tradition behavior. :D Edit: Also my reply was partially about the “snappy”, which I think is a play on the Snap Store of Ubuntu.
I see! Thanks for the explanation. Have a good day kind sir!
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I have reinstalled arch 100+ times i don’t know i just like to do that.
I’ve never gotten CachyOS to run well. I’ve tried a few times and it’s either updated at some point to an unbootable situation or I had to try installing 2-3 times with different bootloader, FDE, and DE options before it would comply.
I work for a living, so having a more stable, tested platform is important to me. Fedora KDE always just works for me and is reasonably up-to-date with the latest mesa, kernel, etc.
But why do you reinstall so much? I don’t understand 🤔
When I was a student I had a period when trying different installations was fun. Disto hopping or reinstalling can be a nice hobby.
It is the only real way you can find which distro is best for you, but at some point you want to stop, at least for a while, an os is meant to be in the background, not the focus.
I can understand distro hopping, to try to find the best suited for you. But why reinstall the same system if it’s working? That I really don’t get… But to each their own I guess!
I’m with you here, I’ve never done the over-and-over installation myself but since you can take different paths with Arch, I can see someone enjoy exploring those paths.
Makes it sound like cachyos is easy to break, or has issues.
I just like it. Possibly you also like something which can sound stupid to someone and fun to someone, and for me it is fun ;)
In my young days, I would Norton Defrag the hell out of DOS and later Windows. Just watching it work was relaxing. And I probably didn’t know what else to do other than playing games.
Doing the exact same thing over and over again with no reason to be doing it doesn’t sound very fun… Usually I can understand why someone might enjoy something.
some people get a rush with new installs, that must be a serious case to install so much :D
In the absence of drugs, theirs always installing arch linux.
There is another case of rush, i felt it too, when you take the USB stick from any distro and select the erase the whole disk and previous installed OS was windows
Yeah the main thing I liked about arch is I could have the same install on a system for like 5 years. I installed basically everything so I knew how everything worked and could tinker.
Since you liked Fedora but not GNOME, sounds like Bazzite or Fedora KDE could have worked out well too. Just something to consider if you want something more stable and less cutting edge
I can’t understand where this “unstable” image comes from. Just because it’s a rolling distro? I’ve been on CachyOS for over a year now. I update on most days I’m using the system (which is also most days). I had basically no issues. I have significantly less issues with it than I have with Debian on my servers!
Did you have a negative experience with CachyOS or arch in general? Or are you just repeating what you heard?
I think the issues are more likely to happen if you update less frequently. I used an Arch distro on my secondary PC for a few months. I admit I never ran into any major breaking issues, but every week or so when I did an update it sure felt like I would run into an issue since the updates were massive. I didn’t even have that much installed. Also reading through PKGBUILD and changelogs was annoying, but if you didn’t do it and ran into an issue the forums would just blame you for not reading them.
So while I didn’t run into any major issues myself, I could sense that maintaining it was more work than I wanted. And later on I read this lemmy post which validated my decision: Realizing Arch isn’t for me after updating broke VLC.
Compare this to the update process of Bazzite. It happens in the background, and automatically applies when you reboot. You don’t even need to be aware of it. You can easily rollback if something breaks. And it’s pretty guaranteed to be stable because all Bazzite users have the same base, so it’s well tested before being released.
I also have a laptop that runs CachyOS, and I use that very infrequently. So whenever I do, it’s a sizable update (still runs through faster than a normal windows update though). That system also never had any issues, and also “just works”. Like you say, you also never had any (real?) issues. Just having a “feeling something might break” doesn’t actually means it’s unstable either, just that you’re scared it might be, while it actually isn’t. It’s obviously fine if that then isn’t a distro you want to use, but don’t call it unstable if it has been perfectly stable for you? Do you know why you have that feeling, and could it maybe just be that it’s people always just saying “it’s unstable”, perpetuating that “feeling”? I can also imagine that it was much less stable in the past, or there may be phases that are less stable, but I just got lucky and the last year happened to be rather stable in comparison.
I personally don’t have an issue with the reading of PKGBUILDs when I’m using the AUR, as I have like 2 packages from there or something, which also update comparatively infrequently. Everything else is base repo (CachyOS or Arch) and if there are Arch news you should obviously read those, but that happenes so rarely it’s really not an issue either (for me), and usually it’s there for a good reason like the recent AUR vulnerabilities. As for normal changelogs, I assume for packages in the main repos, I don’t even know where to find them. Never needed to read them either.
but don’t call it unstable if it has been perfectly stable for you?
Stability doesn’t just refer to reliability and breakages. It also refers to the size of changes. Because in general, the faster something changes, the more often things break. And I don’t think CachyOS is some magical exception. Remember that this is all relative to other OSes like Fedora, which from my experience has been extremely stable.
Also, why can’t I repeat what I’ve heard from other people? I feel like the VLC breakages that I linked earlier is pretty good evidence of instability. And how do you feel about that incident?
Its unstable as a target platform for development. You never know when it will break API/ABI compatibility. It’s why most containers target Ubuntu, Debian, Alpine, and UBI. The versions can be locked and you can be assured that your software won’t randomly break one day after and update.
For some reason people have taken that as being unstable to use as a system, which hasn’t been the case for me either.
I agree that that’s a perfectly fine reason for container base images, but has nothing to do with my normal desktop system. Or 99% of peoples normal desktop systems. The question there is only “does my stuff work”, and at least for me the answer is “yes”. That’s the context of this thread (at least how I understood it).
Maybe that really is the real source of the instability claims. I mean I’m not setting up my KVM virtualization server on a CachyOS-install, but honestly even if I did I’m not sure I’d actually run into issues. Or just use Arch directly for that, which quite a few people also do. I have no idea how often those have issues, I assume they wouldn’t stick with Arch if they did, but I truly have no idea about the practicality of that.
The reason I’m asking is that literally every source you look at for comparison of linux distros will tell you “unstable” for CachyOS and/or Arch. It has been the literal opposite experience for me: I have significantly fewer issues getting stuff to work (which is also a form of stability) compared to Debian on my servers. I wouldn’t say I’m angry about being misled, but I’m certainly still confused where the claims can come from…
Bazzite is more like a distro for consoles and for only gaming. Fedora, i don’t have a strong reason to not to use it, but i just don’t like fedora from my heart
Bazzite supports consoles, but is far from only targeting consoles. There’s also Aurora which is like Bazzite but without the gaming stuff. Same benefits: background updates, easy rollbacks, and lots of included tools that are just useful (podman, brew, distrobox, etc).
But if you have personal reasons against Fedora then it’s important to be aware that Bazzite and Aurora are both based off Fedora
Will never understand such lines of thinking
When you say fast you mean while gaming getting more fps or do you just mean when on desktop and changing Windows/starting applications?
For me gaming on Cachy is literally faster than it was on windows 10. Of course everything is snappy, it’s Linux, but gaming was very noticeable.
Isnt that true for all* distros?
No, mint had horrible audio issues and gaming stuttered very badly. Bazzite was fast but not nearly as fast as Cachy. Zorin some games wouldn’t even start.
The stutters are caused by an issue that can be resolved and depend on hardware, not actual performance issues
These can happen on windows too
I don’t know what you’re getting at. I have no issues on Cachy and it’s significantly faster than other distros. Are you trying to say that I’m lying? You do realize that Cachy literally is designed to use every trick in the book to make itself as fast as possible? Other distros don’t do that, except specialized ones like Garuda.
When i used chachyos, i had stuttering issues with some games that were not present on other distros
I was trying to say that linux is already faster than windows, you dont need a distro that advertises itself as fast to achieve that, and that stuttering issues that are hardware specific should not be included when considering performance
Both. Edit: i am not very much into gaming, i just installed minecraft for benchmarking (And i didn’t purchased it because it costs more than $0 ;)
This looks a lot more like a problem with the internet and what people recommend Ubuntu Mint Zorin Fedora Gnome Arch as a new user
You walked a hard road.
what people recommend Ubuntu Mint Zorin Fedora Gnome Arch as a new user
Operating system, Operating system, Operating system, Operating system, Desktop environment?, Operating system.
People recommend what works for them, OP just got unlucky with some weirdly specific touch pad and driver troubles on a laptop, not unheard of but I suspect the manufacturer never released the drivers for Linux nor the source code so I bet Fedora / OpenSuse came up with their own solution that the other distros mentioned lacked.
I am aware that gnome is a de… and a bad choice for someone coming from windows
That was the point, none of these are good choices (I omitted opensuse since I haven’t tried it recently), but what are people to do when they are often the recommendations (for whatever reason). Finding one of the decent enough choices is bound to impress, but that doesn’t = “Cachyos is the best” A lot of recommendations are not due to people finding what works for them, they are just the result of other recommendations. Ubuntu generally comes through as the most used distro as an example, so is often recommended. It isn’t good.
I thought I was on lemmy, not on reddit, or some trashtubers channel
If each install takes 10mins you have installed 200 times that is 2000mins or ~34 hours.
What kind of touchpad issue did you run into?
