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    As long as they understand those electricians and plumbers should be charging them 5-10x what they are charging now. If their AI can’t do it, it’s gone from blue collar to bespoke work.

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    What went wrong before that we didn’t need them? Why now, to build datacenters?

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    Assuming AI is really going to take these jobs full stop, something else needs to happen outside of people reschooling themselves for blue collar work.

    I understand there might be a temporary uptick in required blue collar work as we prepare infrastructure to handle this bullshit but we definitely don’t need everybody that’s currently doing any kind of office work to be an pixie or pipe wrangler.

    There are no AI safe jobs in this context. There are only jobs AI can’t do yet. But they aren’t safe. The remaining people will flood whatever job market is left if something doesn’t change and then people absolutely won’t be making a 100k with no degree. Besides, if AI is really going to take most of the white collar jobs it’s only a matter of time before those robots get good enough to take blue collar jobs too.

    Also by telling everybody what to do (become a plumber or electrician in this case) you’re creating the same problem in the long term we have now with all the people that were told becoming a developer was the future and now find themselves with a crippling debt, meager income, and bleak prospects in the job market.

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    It annoys me to no end every single dumbass statement these idiot CEOs make is treated like news

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    It’s never too late to go to trade school. We have way too many CEOs anyway, so it’d be a good moment for him to think about his future career.

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    Does this idiot know what trades make? He’s trying to denigrate blue collar, but sparkies and plumbers make miiiint

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      Yeah, very rarely do tradespeople get rich, but most I know live very, very comfortably, don’t have insane hours or overtime, unless they provide emergency services, which usually pay insanely by the hour, have absolute job security. One of my son’s buddies is an Electrical engineer. He quit his job at a corpo, took the certification exam, and became an electrician. Makes way more that as an engineer, and has much higher QOL.

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        My brother-in-law did this and has become a locksmith. He has a great future ahead of him creating YouTube drama with lock companies.

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      Not once some damn startup funded by people like this idiot start an app and through shady practices drive out all the independent tradesmen and make it a gig job.

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        they try, but all it means is that the shit workers end up blowing up houses and the good workers make some extra pocket money for christmas before fucking off back to their real employers.

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          Nah, that ain’t trying. When they actually try it’ll involve billions and billions of dollars in startup funding so that the companies can lose money for a good decade long enough to actually drive everyone else out of business. That there is amateur hour.

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            Might happen in the US. Won’t happen in any country where unions are functional.

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              Ain’t nobody safe from the horrors of capitalism. Ever. It can always be ripped away. If your instance is any indication you should know that better than any.

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                no shit dude. But a key part of that process is destroying unions, hence my proviso any country where unions are functional.

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      He is desperately rhetorically flailing, trying to pitch the idea that temporary demand in construction of data centers = job creation.

      Despite that the entire point of an AI data center is to automate away 100x to 100,000x as many jobs, permanently, as will actually exist for maybe 18 months, to build the thing.

      Its a nakedly bad faith line of bullshit, literally insultingly stupid to anyone that’s taken a year of macro econ.

      Even if you build the datacenters, … the amount of power needed for them would be roughly equivalent to building the entire electrical power infrastructure of Germany, and that would need to be done in 18 months.

      Conpletely impossible, that’s like 10 years of the world’s current production rate of power transformers, in 18 months.

      These guys would need a top down command economy and 5 year plans to do this, and they do not have that, so they’re basically just pretending they do. When it becomes evident that they were bullshitting, they’ll try to say ‘well thats how things should have been the whole time, with me in charge of everything!’

      Delusional.

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          I mean yeah, it would/could just be the inverse of what millenials/zoomers grew up with: ‘you have to go to college learn a skilled trade if you want to have a decent living!’

          Hard to forecast precisely how strong the effect would be, but absolutely yeah, if a bunch of people flood into a specific category of labor… they will on aggregate depress their own wages.

          … This is why the luddites smashed things.

          Partially because the machines actually produced inferior output products, mostly because their proliferation caused mass unemployment/immiseration.

          A society that wants to technologically progress must also socially progress, otherwise, you’re just building a tinder box.

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          What do you mean ‘deal with Baulmol’s cost disease’?

          You mean general, broad inflation, right?

          You’re worried that non-automatable low wages jobs will continue to be non-automatable low wage jobs, but slightly less low wage?

          You’re worried that jobs tend to need to be done by people who can afford to be alive?