for a moment I’d like to disregard Linux.
fuck this bleached asshole and his bullshit. fuck his viewpoint on unions, fuck his viewpoint on worker rights, fuck his viewpoint on warranties, fuck his missinfo peddling of a company and fuck his company a 2nd time for allowing employee misconduct.
recall when GN called them out on their shit in private but they did not give a fuck? then when they got exposed did they finally get their panties in a knot. any1 else notice the typical corporate response? oh we just had a major controversy? time for the CEO to step down to a totally diff C suite position (trust me bro) and it’ll all blow over.
Linux ain’t the only thing to get bashed by this particular soyboy. any1 watch the GrapheneOS video? don’t bother. the thumbnail still depicts those that use it to be criminals (so did the title b4 they got backlash). I will judge a fucking book by its cover cuz fuck you.
now for our beloved Linux. most of PewDiePie’s career used to be shitposting, but then he built a damn PC and installed Linux on it w/o announcing it. and sm how this corpo cocksucking sleazebag despite being in the industry for alleged 20 yrs doesn’t know jackshit on how to operate a computer running a different operating system? hand me a laptop running FreeBSD and watch me figure that shit out in 3 days w/o having ever used it. oh right he’s a corpo cocksucking sleazebag.
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For anyone interested, in regards to the employee abuse claims. A 3rd party law firm was brought in for an investigation at the expense of LMG. 8 months later the results of the investigation were posted here:
https://xcancel.com/LinusTech/status/1793428629378208057
Some of the highlights are below:
In summary, as confirmed by the investigation, the allegations made against the team were largely unfounded, misleading, and unfair.
Or more specifically the investigation found that:
Claims of bullying and harassment were not substantiated.
Allegations that sexual harassment were ignored or not addressed were false.
Any concerns that were raised were investigated. Furthermore, from reviewing our history, the investigator is confident that if any other concerns had been raised, we would have investigated them.
There was no evidence of “abuse of power” or retaliation. The individual involved may not have agreed with our decisions or performance feedback, but our actions were for legitimate work-related purposes, and our business reasons were valid.
Allegations of process errors and miscommunication while onboarding this individual were partially substantiated, but the investigator found ample documentary evidence of LMG working to rectify the errors and the individual being treated generously and respectfully. When they had questions, they were responded to and addressed.
I am still a bit skeptical tho especially w the “at the expense of LMG” part. to me its kinda like “we investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong”. if the lawfirm is highly regarded then perhaps their word could be trusted. regardless thank you for the enlightenment. I stopped following LMG around the time GN dropped their nuke and have not kept in touch.
Most of them seemed to be giving it a fair go but Linus himself seemed to be treating it more like a Cheap Car Challenge from Top Gear. He was cracking (bad) jokes about “just Linux things” before he’d even started and he gave up pretty much straight away. The problems he was having with Discord seemed more like Discord issues than Linux issues.
I game on Linux without issue. Literally 95% of games just work without issue. Deathloop never ran well and Routine (a UE game) for some reason kept want to install and uninstall a package each time I ran it (but it played fine). I don’t think I’ve found another game that doesn’t play and I recently bought ARC Raiders.
I was watching an lmg clips video about it last night, and personally found it very unreasonable how he said a game that supposedly worked without tinkering, actually needed tinkering because he had to use proton experimental and add a simple launch command. Maybe i’m an out of touch linux user but… what? Is he really saying it’s that difficult to select proton experimental from a gui dropdown menu, and then copy paste a simple command? There are probably games out there on native windows that require more tinkering than that. If you literally want no tinkering at all, you’re probably better of with a console, which is ironic considering linus is mainly a pc gamer.
He’s a moron but yeah copying and pasting a command is beyond normies. They would want to get the command from LLMs for one thing, which would almost guarantee it wouldn’t work.
Linus is not at all a moron. The trouble with him is that he plays the role of a boulevard journalist. So he constructs bs narratives to have something to talk about, even when it makes absolutely no sense to create these little plot points.
It seems to have gotten to a point where he can not switch his style off. Seems to have gotten this way since he started LMG.
The real problem with these videos is that Linus decides to try and emulate the average user, but then refuses to do even the smallest amount of troubleshooting “because the average user wouldn’t do it”. So it leads to a lot of moments where something doesn’t work out of the box, there’s a trivially simple solution that comes up as the first Google search result (if you ignore Gemini’s output), but he doesn’t bother and just throws his hands up (like the average user would, I guess).
It just gets frustrating, because their Linux videos end up being entertainment first, and educational… fifth, maybe?
I think it’s fair to call out reviews that say:
“This works out of the box, and requires no tinkering at all. Anyways, here’s what you’ll need to do to get it to work.”
Having to tinker with settings and commands is literally not what “requires no tinkering” means.
Oh yeah, i did agree with him that the review was silly by stating two opposites like that, but i did feel like he made it sound like the tinkering he ended up having to do was very involved, eventhough it just takes a few seconds, especially when a review like that has already figured it out for you.
it’s that difficult to select proton experimental from a gui dropdown menu, and then copy paste a simple command
you still need to find the command, to know that you need to use proton experimental, to not be scared away by the name or the idea of going into options, to know how to open a context menu(something that so many people i have seen do not know), to know how to copy and paste something
these are not difficult things to do, but they require effort and to learn how to do; the average person(that i have encountered) does not want to spend the time and energy to do those things. They want to just double click the game and for it to open
i dont think assuming “without tinkering” means without changing the default settings is that unreasonable
Like i said, i agree that it was stupid to put “no tinkering required” in a review, then proceeds to list tinkering steps. I just feel like the difficulty of said tinkering steps is overblown. Especially when you consider ingame graphics settings, pretty much every game requires tinkering regardless of OS, which is one of the reasons i find myself booting up my ps5 instead at times, and if you’re that allergic to tinkering or can’t do it, then console is your best bet. When we’re talking about these basic kinds of troubleshooting steps, i just don’t believe that’s a linux gaming issue, it’s a pc gaming issue.
Between this, his alleged mistreatment of employees, his problematic takes on unions and worker power, his incorrect reporting proven by other tech reporters, and all the staff I actually enjoyed watching leaving and starting their own channels…I dunno why anyone gives this fucking ass clown the time of day anymore.
Stay on Windows then, you corporate fuckboy! Enjoy XBox cloud gaming and never owning anything again.
Stay on Windows then, you corporate fuckboy! Enjoy XBox cloud gaming and never owning anything again.
Yep! Linus is basically rendering his own channel obsolete by doing this shit.
Honestly, I think lots of people are hating on him just because. Pop is still highly recommended on a random Google search, and his reasons to pick it are legit. Plus he acknowledged that last time the issue was user error + unimaginable level of bad luck, and removing that there would be no reason for him not to use it. Also if you saw the WAN show he also installed Bazzite and Kubuntu on two other systems and got two other issues.
As much as I want to say he did something bad like last time, this time I don’t see it, his issues are legit and to dismiss them because he’s using an “unstable” (that is the default and recommended) DE or because he chose a distro that is in the top recommendations on every site out there is disingenuous.
On which website is Pop_OS! the top recommendation?
Tell me you didn’t even saw the video without telling me you didn’t even saw the video. But you want an extra one? This one, here’s the link to the pinned thread on this same community where the top 3 recommendations for beginner distros are Fedora, Mint and Pop: https://lemm.ee/post/37682729
Is watching the video a requirement to participate with the comment I wrote?
Not really, but this is a reply to most comments here about the video so without seeing the video and reading some of the other comments you are missing a lot of context. In the video Linus shows several different sites that recommend Pop, he even looks for recent sites written by people specifically because he got some bad comments about using listacle articles before. He also asks chatGPT, and while that’s not exactly reliable it is based on average messages online so it’s not fully random. Also, like I pointed out, the community we’re using to discuss this also lists is as recommended, which goes to show it’s not a fluke of the sites he used but that it is generally recommend broadly.
The fact that he asks ChatGPT should tell you all you need to know about his professionalism.
Besides, all top 10 websites that are returned by i.e. Google Search list either Ubuntu or Linux Mint as the best choice for beginners.In rhe video, in case you did not watch it, he made the point to use the distro any user coming from wondows was likely to choose. So asking chatgpt was an explicit and natural process in the selection.
But go on concluding shit about the video and its professionalism without watching it, you are doing great mate.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
We need to agree on a better way to get new users to easily chose a new Distro without having horrible choice paralysis. Asking AI doesn’t work, asking reddit or lemmy just starts a massive debate and gets the person asking nowhere.
Perhaps just refer everyone to nicks latest tier list although that is really for his use case, I mean he doesn’t even have bazzite on the list when it’s a good choice for a lot of people. Maybe there is a website that asks questions and recommends a distro based on that, or maybe I saw a cool flow chart photo that seamed good, but it’s an image so it won’t update itself when people come back to it later and the recomendations change.
Manjaro was the go-to distro for laymen, but manchildren got upset it wasn’t “their” distro being recommended by parties like Valve so they berated anyone who suggested it.
This gives me an idea.
Sort of a questionnaire that kinda walks you through the kind of things you’ll use your machine for, what kinda hardware you have,… and then eventually gives you say 3 to four choices at the end. (So the average user can look at a few screenshots and make a choice based on that. Because let’s be honest we all choose our Linux partially with our eyes just like we listen to music).
Well fuck, another project my adhd wants to tackle but probably can’t.
Linus is not a tech guy and it shows
He’s more of a salesman for shit people don’t need.
WHY. IS HE. ON POPOS. AGAIN???
Next it will be Omarchy
People using that distro gives me second hand embarrassment
Great video showcasing Linux still has many issues for average users. Pop OS is garbage too.
The amount of cope here is unbelievable.
Yes, Linux based operating systems have still many issues. So does any other operating system. No one said a Linux based operating system is perfect. In fact, Windows has more issues than Linux, that is why people switch.
Think of him what you want, but I think this nicely shows the problems that “gamers” will encounter when switching to linuxand gives a good view from outside the Linux community
He set himself up for failure again with PopOS.
Cachy and Bazzite are much better choices by the other team members.
Which is kind of the point of the video.
They explicitly said: they could get expert opinion and support.
But when you use a search engine as an everage joe to find what distro to install, popOS comes up a lot on those shit listicles sites.
Pretending to be the average Joe to see what issues may occur certainly has it’s place - before an expert informs them of what they ought to do. That’s not to say people creating software cannot do better to appeal to the average user’s needs but it’s falls on experts to teach them to do tech right.
I can tell I’m in a bubble because I was shocked Bazzite wasn’t the top recommended distro basically everywhere someone might search “Linux gaming distro”
Trying to go for a “Linux gaming distro” is the wrong thing to do in the first place, IMO. Even if they’re gamers, they’re switching the computers they use for everything. What they needed was a general-purpose distro and then to install Steam or whatever on top of that.
The notion of a “gaming distro” should be considered harmful for everything other than maybe running it on one of those Steam Deck knock-offs.
Hard disagree. Gaming is the task that needs the most complicated setup with lots of pitfalls – kernel version, Wine settings, GPU drivers, X11 vs. Wayland, even your DE can affect how many issues you’ll have.
IMO if you want to play any games at all, use a distro set up specifically for gaming, to let someone else do all that work for you.
For all other tasks you’ll do with your PC, a “gaming” distro will be just as good as any other.No, it seriously doesn’t! Here are the actual steps, unabridged and in full, that I go through to game on Linux:
- Install Kubuntu
sudo apt install steam- There is no step 3; it just fucking works.
You are posting FUD and misinformation. Knock it off.
You knock it off, there are so many small issues a distro like bazzite fixes that kubuntu won’t have patches for out of the box. Discord screen sharing, for one.
Then in steam you have to direct steam to use proton for almost every game with a Linux build because almost none of them actually work correctly.
Also, if you’re directing the average joe to use the terminal, it’s too hard. Seriously. It needs a polished, self explanatory GUI. If the app store version of steam isn’t good enough, then its not a good distro to recommend. Even then an app store might be too hard, many people are used to downloading apps from their website, and that problem hasn’t been solved by many distros, either.
for the average joe using the terminal is too hard
The average Joe can certainly find it difficult to justify spending the time learning the terminal… but actually learning how to use the terminal is easy (and I’m tired of everyone pretending it’s not). If we tech literate people can put aside our low expectations then maybe we’ll find it’s easier to teach that expected.
Then we can consider something like downloading apps by visiting websites (perhaps after dodging malware links from adverts in modern search engines) a solved problem: don’t do that.
This is something which ought to be taught in school as part of using a computer but users being tech literate probably goes against tech corporates that have their claws in education.
Gaming distros can still do general tasks. They’re marketed as “gaming distros” because they have extra features like GameScope and optimizations from Glorious Eggroll. That’s valuable if you want to get all the gaming performance you can
Except none of that gaming performance value matters if you can’t get it working in the first place!
People, especially ones new to Linux, shouldn’t have to know or care about the tools you mentioned. Hell, I had to DDG them to find out WTF you were talking about, and I’ve been gaming exclusively on Linux for damn near a decade! They don’t matter, and they’re especially not worth risking fucking up your entire experience for!
Way to ignore the BIGGEST point in my comment to hyper focus on a secondary point just for ego.
Do I think someone should pick a distribution just because it has GameScope? No.
But do you know which distros include these optimizations? It’s the distros that include Nvidia drivers in the package so users don’t have to update them in the command line. It’s the distros that use Fedora and Arch to get those driver updates out in a timely manner so you’re not stuck waiting 6 fucking months to not have a newly released game not be a buggy flickering mess.
not worth risking fucking up your entire experience for!
This is your key disconnect. You see the OS as an experience. Most people don’t. They see it as a tool to get want they want.
You might be fine with only playing 5+ year old 16-bit indies on an AMD card. But guess what? MOST PEOPLE DON’T DO THAT. Most people have an Nvidia card and don’t want to buy an AMD card just to use a new OS. And a lot of people want to play newly released games from time to time.
You know what distro sucks for both those use cases? Ubuntu. I don’t care if it’s your favorite, those are just the facts. Deal with it.
Way to ignore the BIGGEST point in my comment to hyper focus on a secondary point just for ego.
Fuck off with that. I am only participating in this conversation solely because I’m sick and tired of seeing influencers like Other Linus flounder and damage the reputation of Linux because they keep taking trendy bad advice spouted by people like you.
This is your key disconnect. You see the OS as an experience. Most people don’t. They see it as a tool to get want they want.
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Quit reaching, you’re only damaging your credibility even further.
The biggest issue for most casual users starting remains picking a distro, and to that end I think we as a Linux community need to stop recommending flavors of the month. Even Bazzite has come up against some recent drama and having to break down distro drama for a new users is an absolute deal breaker.
Based on their skill level and needs just get them into a bucket: Mint, Fedora, or Arch. They’ve been around forever, they’re stable, there’s plentiful documentation and there are no weird opinionated decisions buried in them that’ll go off like a landmine or confound troubleshooting. Install the Nvidia proprietary drivers, I’ve had less issues with those (until recently I dunno, we can revisit this point) but overall just everything simple and smooth for a transition.
Once people are on Linux they can start to come up with their own informed opinions depending on how well they take to the environment but at the same time there’s nothing wrong with starting and ending with the above distros.
(I actually don’t know much about Fedora, there might be a slightly better variant recommendation but it’s gotta be something analogous to Mint. I’m pretty adamant on vanilla Arch though, if that’s the route you want to go. Anyone who starts with Arch will be able to better determine an Arch variant down the road for themselves and are also more likely to do multiple installs. Doing so much as even a single reinstall may be a deal breaker for casuals).
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He picked PopOS again???
Look, I have nothing against people who prefer Pop. But the issue with Steam last time around gave me a very negative impression of it. A few months ago I organized a local Linux install party and tried giving it a chance. I could not get the damn thing to install, even after trying multiple ISOs. You can say “skill issue” but if you want a headache-free distro, which Linus very clearly does, my recommendation is to try something else. If Pop works for you, again, more power to you.
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