Oh I agree, 100%. My heart breaks for all the people hurting because of this greedy, gluttonous idiocy. 😔 Nonetheless, sometimes my brain is tired and I don’t have the energy to articulate a more nuanced take. More and more often, in fact.
Doing one without the other is just going to make the problem worse.
I think you guys may be talking about different problems. Oil being expensive is good in the environmental sense, as it tends to push people and businesses away from using it. The wage gap and cost of living issues are affected by oil prices, but are a separate issue.
This is why shit never gets fixed. Person A says “this is a problem” Person B says “Yea but so is this”. Pretty soon everyone is fighting for each other around which problem to fix instead of just fixing the first problem and going from there.
Sadly it’s not that simple. Fixing the various pop-up symptoms of late stage crapitalism is like seeing an apartment block with a completely corroded water supply system and going around slapping flextape on leaks instead of rooting out the whole thing and replacing it with something that works. We keep going around applying hotfixes, hoping this will make the system work, but at the end of the day all we get is 20x more spent on flextape than it would’ve cost to replace the system, and the whole thing is even more rickety than it was before we began.
Except your way doesn’t work either, when each person tacks on their personal issue (or the one that matters most to them) nothing changes.
We have a flat tire, well we also need to change the oil, well we also need a car wash. This doesn’t fix the issue. The big issue is “yes this car has problems” but the immediate one is “fix the tire”.
Too many cooks in the kitchen is a saying for a reason
To continue your analogy, the building needs to be demolished and rebuild, but there’s still people living inside, and the doors have been welded shut. Hard to blame them for wanting to stick with the flextape.
You’re forgetting that a lot of oil byproducts are absolutely necessary for long term agricultural sustainability. Nitrogen and sulfate fertilisers take natural gas and crude oil processing byproducts to be synthesized, pesticides rely on petroleum, and that’s not even considering the machinery required for production and transport (while electric trucks are a thing, electric agricultural machinery is still experimental at best, not to mention a lot of farmers tend to use 20-40 year old equipment).
Oil prices going up will have a massive knock on effect on agricultural produce amounts, availability, and prices. But hey, at least all those miffed farmers will now have a market, even if it’s making nutrient dense slop which will be the only thing available for average people to buy… You’ll get your daily dose of gray slop and you’ll like it!
Honestly I’m not upset gas got expensive, I kinda hope it goes higher still. Short term pain, long term gain. Everything else though, yeah. sigh
This is basically the dumbest way imaginable to move away from oil though.
Tried the smart ways for decades, soooo…
People won’t accept a gas tax to fund maintenance and post-oil development, but a war and 110% price hike, sure. It’s madness.
No they didn’t.
I think we’re talking about a different set of ‘they’
Yes capitalism is the dumbest system possible. Literally destroying the planet so a few dickheads can ride yachts.
TBF, the only worse option is to not move away from oil at all…
Oh I agree, 100%. My heart breaks for all the people hurting because of this greedy, gluttonous idiocy. 😔 Nonetheless, sometimes my brain is tired and I don’t have the energy to articulate a more nuanced take. More and more often, in fact.
Yep. All this way does is hurt the fuck out of anyone that isn’t rich.
For the next few centuries at least, more people will be hurt by climate change. It’s sucks for us now but it’s still a net gain.
It’s not dumb if it works.
False. Things can be both dumb and functional.
I support demand destruction of petrol, period.
Would be nice if innocent people didn’t have to be killed to accomplish this.
Sure would, but the rich never make it so gentle, so we shouldn’t make it gentle for them.
So you’re also happy if it happens with maximal pointless suffering of the working class? …
Okay Dwight
Oil getting expensive makes everything expensive. If it was just the price at the pump I might agree with you.
Stuff is still underpriced all of the environmental devastation required to produce them via fossil fuels.
Okay, well let’s also talk about fixing the wage gap. Doing one without the other is just going to make the problem worse.
I think you guys may be talking about different problems. Oil being expensive is good in the environmental sense, as it tends to push people and businesses away from using it. The wage gap and cost of living issues are affected by oil prices, but are a separate issue.
This is why shit never gets fixed. Person A says “this is a problem” Person B says “Yea but so is this”. Pretty soon everyone is fighting for each other around which problem to fix instead of just fixing the first problem and going from there.
Sadly it’s not that simple. Fixing the various pop-up symptoms of late stage crapitalism is like seeing an apartment block with a completely corroded water supply system and going around slapping flextape on leaks instead of rooting out the whole thing and replacing it with something that works. We keep going around applying hotfixes, hoping this will make the system work, but at the end of the day all we get is 20x more spent on flextape than it would’ve cost to replace the system, and the whole thing is even more rickety than it was before we began.
Except your way doesn’t work either, when each person tacks on their personal issue (or the one that matters most to them) nothing changes.
We have a flat tire, well we also need to change the oil, well we also need a car wash. This doesn’t fix the issue. The big issue is “yes this car has problems” but the immediate one is “fix the tire”.
Too many cooks in the kitchen is a saying for a reason
To continue your analogy, the building needs to be demolished and rebuild, but there’s still people living inside, and the doors have been welded shut. Hard to blame them for wanting to stick with the flextape.
You’re forgetting that a lot of oil byproducts are absolutely necessary for long term agricultural sustainability. Nitrogen and sulfate fertilisers take natural gas and crude oil processing byproducts to be synthesized, pesticides rely on petroleum, and that’s not even considering the machinery required for production and transport (while electric trucks are a thing, electric agricultural machinery is still experimental at best, not to mention a lot of farmers tend to use 20-40 year old equipment).
Oil prices going up will have a massive knock on effect on agricultural produce amounts, availability, and prices. But hey, at least all those miffed farmers will now have a market, even if it’s making nutrient dense slop which will be the only thing available for average people to buy… You’ll get your daily dose of gray slop and you’ll like it!
Yeah I know. Nuance sadly takes energy to articulate, which I increasingly do not have enough of. 😐
And everyone talks about oil and maybe Dubai chocolate that influencers love, but there’s also gas, fertilizer, urea, helium, sulfur, aluminum…
Saaaaaame
Don’t worry, it’ll come down miraculously just in time for major midterm elections.
Aaaaaaaand everyone will forget it was dumpy who caused the fuel prices to go up.
current events teaching me that terrorism does solve problems.