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  • This goes over the 5αR2D claim:

    https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/11/20/imane-khelif-medical-records/

    Note that it confuses gender and sex, and says that the reports are unverified, but that should be interpreted as “Nobody is willing to go on the record about leaked medical reports” which is a “no duh” because that’s a good way to get sued. Here’s a screenshot from the source:

    There have been several leaks of medical records, and nobody has been willing to go on record saying “these are fake/edited/whatever”. The IOC has directly implied it’s a DSD case:

    That’s in addition to the sex tests that were requested by the IBA, but done by an independent accredited lab:

    YMMV, but that along with other circumstantial evidence like Khelif avoiding any competitions that now require sex testing, is enough for me to conclude that the leaks are almost certainly correct. I’ll gladly go back and edit my past comments if Khelif ever proves otherwise.


  • Khelif identifies as a woman, and was determined to be male by sex testing. Khelif likely has the same condition as Caster Semenya (5αR2D), which often results in being incorrectly assigned female at birth due to ambiguous genitalia.

    Khelif is male due to producing sperm, which is why I wanted to clarify how biologists define sex. It isn’t based on chromosomes, testosterone, or anything other than gametes (slightly longer put, the gamete type one’s body is organized around producing).

    If you want to discuss the accuracy of the sex testing done that’s fine too, but for the sake of answering your question I didn’t go into that.

    So gender is female and sex is male.


  • If you can acknowledge that it’s not me categorizing anything, but that I’m merely relaying how the field of biology defines sex, then sure. I make no claim other than referring to many sources saying exactly that.

    The entire thread that started with “Why do you care so much?” was eminently silly and I didn’t bother responding with effort, but that user engaged in other subthreads, where I did respond.

    The other user is unhinged, to be honest. Like, something is wrong with them. I engaged in good faith a few times, but in the end they refused to acknowledge a basic fact and it wasn’t worth engaging with effort.


  • I responded “Why do you care so much?” to a user that started out engaging in bad faith by asking that question to start. I was simply mirroring their bad faith argument back to them. Elsewhere in the thread where they had an actual comment, I responded in good faith. I’m not going to waste my time on nonsense.

    It’s easy to say “it’s pointless to talk to you”. Other people have said that too, or “I’m just so tired” or “You’re boring”. I’ll gladly talk about Khelif, but first:

    Do you understand what sex determination is and how it differs from how sex is defined?

    Let’s get facts straight first.


  • I don’t really understand other people’s obsession with spreading misinformation. In each of those threads I posted once, and then had to respond many more times pointing out how they’re incorrect. “Patiently explaining” is a weird way of saying “doubling down on being wrong”.

    Like here as well. As in the previous thread, that graphic shows sex determination, which is not how sex is defined. Each one of those situations ends up being male or female. I’m having to write another comment to correct your misinformation, even though you could’ve seen the exact same response in the previous threads. Why are people obsessed with defending their ignorance? I’d have a fraction of my overall comment count and everyone could’ve done something more productive with their time.

    Your statement that “sex is not an easy binary and that the categorization of sex in humans includes many factors and is not always binary” is wrong. Again, I’ve linked to many helpful resources, but in particular I want to redirect you to the original comment I made in this very thread which goes over several different types of DSDs and shows how they still fall into the sex binary.

    Before we start going off on a tangent from this thread, can you acknowledge biological truth? It’s pointless to talk about Khelif if you misunderstand the basics.


  • This is a bad analogy because there’s 100+ types of atoms. In anisogamous species (like humans), there’s exactly 2 gamete types, sperm and ova. Which of those two gamete types one’s body is organized around producing is how sex is defined.

    See here for charts showing the spectrum of sex determination and how that relates to sex definition. Each chart can be labeled as male or female based on this definition of sex, which is the one that is used across the field of biology.

    https://theparadoxinstitute.org/articles/sex-development-charts

    The information on the flow charts is directly from peer-reviewed developmental biology papers and textbooks on human sex differentiation.

    But humans are a gonochoric species: individuals are either male or female throughout their entire life cycle. People with DSDs are not new sexes (this would require a third gamete type), and they are not both sexes (this would require the full development of both male and female gonads and genitalia in a single individual. A hermaphrodite has never existed in humans).

    There’s no third sex, and there’s nobody born with a body that isn’t trying to produce gametes (and potentially failing).