Just like alcohol and cars but we don’t ban those outright. At least smoking is confined mostly to certain areas. You have the option to avoid those, like some do with pubs
Only to be replaced by vaping outside. I agree if the space is confined and shared it shouldn’t be mixed with smokers and non smokers but if you’re in a public street you have the option to avoid the smoking and be out of 3rd party smoke range. You’re always going to have problematic smokers/vapers just like anything else, no law is going to stop this
Some would argue they hate people drinking anywhere but licensed indoor spaces
Yes, I agree, but outright prohibition is not the solution. Ban public smoking fine but outright prohibition is just more social control under the guise of “protecting” people just like how this age verification bullshit is “protecting the kids”
It’s not protecting kids as you say. Look at the black market, it’s got worse, now it’s not just selling to kids, it’s using and grooming them. I thought the ‘war’ on drugs was meant to ‘protect’ kids in some way. As well as other things of course. It’s made it easier for kids, no finding a dodgy person to sell to you , they can now use dodgy shops. You needed reasonably good social skills to find a dealer but not so much anymore
Wasting money on more enforcements and laws, the taxes will just benefit the tobacco companies. They could be spending that money on providing communities and positive outlets for teens
100% education, harm reduction, support and regulation.
It would empower people to make smarter choices about what they consume and the safe ways and doses to consume and what effects to expect rather than scaremongering people with lies which causes experimentation.
Support people that have existing problems to make better choices with their life rather than turning them into “criminals” which then encourages further behaviour that damages society as a whole.
Regulate the substances so that people can know what they are buying is what it is meant to be so they aren’t buying stuff cut with brick dust or plaster board from people in situations that put them at further risk.
And finally tax it and use that tax money to fund public services. Fund things that benefit society as a whole and benefits everyone else who don’t choose to use these things.
Proper research that hasn’t been fabricated to support the lies that are constantly pedalled has proved that all of these things are true and most of these “hard drugs” are safer and less addictive when done properly than alcohol is and that shit is legal. You can’t just look at all the immediate effects either no one is taking MDMA and then going out and fighting or beating their significant other yet alcohol is the fuel for a very large percentage of anti social behaviour and domestic abuse. Women in particular suffer a massive amount at the hands of predominantly men under the influence of alcohol but I’m meant to believe these cunts when they tell me weed or MDMA is “bad”
Couldn’t agree more. Try something new, shit, years and years shown it’s not working. Fuck it, take the risk try a new carefully thought-out approach. There will be risks and mistakes but that’s like with everything but the media blows it out of proportion. The risks would be far less if people actually bought what they expected and know how that specific drug could interact, impossible when it’s cut or sold as something completely different. I wanna clean rave or explore not be forced into a heroin/meth addiction by accident cos it’s not controlled and often cut
We need facts not myths of drug education. Allow the controlled research of substances, to help better education. Humans are humans and we all have some desire to explore ourselves. We are dictated to what’s legal. time has only shown this isn’t going to stop
Ah did they not do it in the end, I knew they were trying to but never heard any more about it so didn’t know if it went through.
We will see, as you say the problem is tobacco companies have a lot of money, I just don’t wish to see prohibition under the guise of public health, prohibition is always a tool of oppression and not in peoples interest. I’d rather see an outright ban in public places to actually benefit public health :)
I mean, is it? I’m happy to have stuff like asbestos prohibited. There’s a bunch of harmful stuff that is banned all the time and it’s a net positive in my opinion
Smoking is an anti-social behavior that harms others and every attempt to stamp it out has my support
Just like alcohol and cars but we don’t ban those outright. At least smoking is confined mostly to certain areas. You have the option to avoid those, like some do with pubs
Depends on where you are. In some countries smoking is quite widespread and is done outdoors, so definitely not confined in this case.
Only to be replaced by vaping outside. I agree if the space is confined and shared it shouldn’t be mixed with smokers and non smokers but if you’re in a public street you have the option to avoid the smoking and be out of 3rd party smoke range. You’re always going to have problematic smokers/vapers just like anything else, no law is going to stop this
Some would argue they hate people drinking anywhere but licensed indoor spaces
ironically i meet less people after quitting smoking. it for sure has its social qualities too.
Yes, I agree, but outright prohibition is not the solution. Ban public smoking fine but outright prohibition is just more social control under the guise of “protecting” people just like how this age verification bullshit is “protecting the kids”
It’s not protecting kids as you say. Look at the black market, it’s got worse, now it’s not just selling to kids, it’s using and grooming them. I thought the ‘war’ on drugs was meant to ‘protect’ kids in some way. As well as other things of course. It’s made it easier for kids, no finding a dodgy person to sell to you , they can now use dodgy shops. You needed reasonably good social skills to find a dealer but not so much anymore
Wasting money on more enforcements and laws, the taxes will just benefit the tobacco companies. They could be spending that money on providing communities and positive outlets for teens
100% education, harm reduction, support and regulation.
It would empower people to make smarter choices about what they consume and the safe ways and doses to consume and what effects to expect rather than scaremongering people with lies which causes experimentation.
Support people that have existing problems to make better choices with their life rather than turning them into “criminals” which then encourages further behaviour that damages society as a whole.
Regulate the substances so that people can know what they are buying is what it is meant to be so they aren’t buying stuff cut with brick dust or plaster board from people in situations that put them at further risk.
And finally tax it and use that tax money to fund public services. Fund things that benefit society as a whole and benefits everyone else who don’t choose to use these things.
Proper research that hasn’t been fabricated to support the lies that are constantly pedalled has proved that all of these things are true and most of these “hard drugs” are safer and less addictive when done properly than alcohol is and that shit is legal. You can’t just look at all the immediate effects either no one is taking MDMA and then going out and fighting or beating their significant other yet alcohol is the fuel for a very large percentage of anti social behaviour and domestic abuse. Women in particular suffer a massive amount at the hands of predominantly men under the influence of alcohol but I’m meant to believe these cunts when they tell me weed or MDMA is “bad”
But I digress, I could rant on this for ages!
Couldn’t agree more. Try something new, shit, years and years shown it’s not working. Fuck it, take the risk try a new carefully thought-out approach. There will be risks and mistakes but that’s like with everything but the media blows it out of proportion. The risks would be far less if people actually bought what they expected and know how that specific drug could interact, impossible when it’s cut or sold as something completely different. I wanna clean rave or explore not be forced into a heroin/meth addiction by accident cos it’s not controlled and often cut
We need facts not myths of drug education. Allow the controlled research of substances, to help better education. Humans are humans and we all have some desire to explore ourselves. We are dictated to what’s legal. time has only shown this isn’t going to stop
Let’s see if works first, AFAIK this hasn’t been attempted yet (New Zealand was about to but tobacco companies killed it)
Ah did they not do it in the end, I knew they were trying to but never heard any more about it so didn’t know if it went through.
We will see, as you say the problem is tobacco companies have a lot of money, I just don’t wish to see prohibition under the guise of public health, prohibition is always a tool of oppression and not in peoples interest. I’d rather see an outright ban in public places to actually benefit public health :)
I mean, is it? I’m happy to have stuff like asbestos prohibited. There’s a bunch of harmful stuff that is banned all the time and it’s a net positive in my opinion
Yeh that is fair, I concede that saying “always” is not accurate.