I guess what’s weird to me is that the environment we are in is accepting of so much worse than anything Huang has done. I mean, if you want to talk about affairs, the US president is likely a child rapist. If you want to talk about national security, there are completely self interested actors with undeserved security clearances surrounding Trump. If you want to talk about corruption, Jared Kushner is negotiating with countries while privately making billion-dollar deals.
And what’s Huang done relative to that? Pretty close to nothing. It just seems fundamentally unserious to crucify Huang when worst stuff goes unexamined, like maybe all that’s really happened is he’s crossed the United States and its oligarchs and now he’s being punished.
It reminds me a little bit about how Putin would destroy his oligarchic enemies with corruption investigations. Were they corrupt? Absolutely! Everyone was! But their true crime was getting on Putin’s bad side.
It’s like justice unequally applied is injustice. You can see it international relations. Sure, we might pick up an occassional ethnic cleanser, or sanction an unruly warlord, but the United States and Israel get to do whatever the fuck they want, and now because the ICC is finally seriously investigating the US, they might be disbanded.
A major difference between Trump and Huang is that Trump is the president, for now, his party controls all three branches of the US government, and for now, he still has an iron grip over his party. It’s no surprise that he’s not being investigated under those conditions. In addition, any crimes happened at least a decade ago, and there are lots of other powerful people who don’t want the crimes investigated.
With Jensen Huang, the incident just happened, or maybe was ongoing. So, we’re not relying on faded memories or censored documents. There are photos of him with the woman from a few months(?) ago. Also, it involved nobody else, so it’s not some grand conspiracy that a lot of people are trying to keep quiet. And while he’s the CEO of the company, he doesn’t have any control over the investors in the company, so he couldn’t stop the stock price from plummeting. If it were a private company instead of a public one, he’d probably still be in charge. If it were things that happened a decade ago, he’d probably still be in charge. Finally, he’s a hecto-billionaire because of his nVidia stock, and his stock was plummeting because he was still CEO. The quickest solution to keep his own wealth was to resign. I doubt he’ll be charged with anything because he’s a hecto-billionaire and the AI bubble is propping up the stock market. He’ll probably do an apology tour and be back in charge at nVidia in a few years.
As for the ICC, the US never joined the ICC so it has no jurisdiction over the US. They’re not going to investigate the US because the US isn’t a member. And, when the ICC investigated people that Trump didn’t want investigated (Israelis, not Americans because America isn’t part of the ICC) Trump had US companies cut them off. Since American companies are so tied into the modern world, this meant lots of ICC personnel were effectively isolated from the world. Unless and until the US joins the ICC, the ICC won’t be investigating Americans. But, hopefully the new US congress will allow the ICC to continue its work without being harassed by the Trump admin.
Oh, re: ICC. I don’t think it’s not like the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty where you to signup to be subject to it. I don’t think there’s any limits on the ICC’s jurisdiction:
They can make a decision that US soldiers are guilty of war crimes, but then what?
Being a member of the ICC requires that a state cooperate with the court. If a witness is called, the state has to make that witness available. If the court wants access to evidence, the state has to provide that access. Most importantly, if a person is indicted or convicted, the state has to turn that person over.
Because the US withdrew from the ICC, if a US soldier is convicted of war crimes by the ICC they can just go on living their lives as normal because the US isn’t going to turn them over because they’re not a member of the ICC.
Thanks. I think the ICC can try people in absentia, though, but it has no independent authority to extradite. Pinochet was picked up in Spain and imagine Netanyahu won’t be spending any time on Greek beaches for the remainder of his life.
The US also has a policy, maybe a law, that authorizes military force to extract an US citizen from ICC justice. arewethebaddies.gif.
Worst case scenario, Huang violated export restrictions. Big deal. I’m not sure how he even rates in the footnotes of an encyclopedia of crimes committed in the last 2 years.
The AI bubble’s been a bubble for a long time. I’m not sure investors finally realizing it is any indication of Huang being a criminal. And as far as anything I’ve heard about it, it’s all been pretty out in the open (circular financing) and done with the blessing of regulators and the business press.
I guess what’s weird to me is that the environment we are in is accepting of so much worse than anything Huang has done. I mean, if you want to talk about affairs, the US president is likely a child rapist. If you want to talk about national security, there are completely self interested actors with undeserved security clearances surrounding Trump. If you want to talk about corruption, Jared Kushner is negotiating with countries while privately making billion-dollar deals.
And what’s Huang done relative to that? Pretty close to nothing. It just seems fundamentally unserious to crucify Huang when worst stuff goes unexamined, like maybe all that’s really happened is he’s crossed the United States and its oligarchs and now he’s being punished.
It reminds me a little bit about how Putin would destroy his oligarchic enemies with corruption investigations. Were they corrupt? Absolutely! Everyone was! But their true crime was getting on Putin’s bad side.
It’s like justice unequally applied is injustice. You can see it international relations. Sure, we might pick up an occassional ethnic cleanser, or sanction an unruly warlord, but the United States and Israel get to do whatever the fuck they want, and now because the ICC is finally seriously investigating the US, they might be disbanded.
It’s all a farce.
A major difference between Trump and Huang is that Trump is the president, for now, his party controls all three branches of the US government, and for now, he still has an iron grip over his party. It’s no surprise that he’s not being investigated under those conditions. In addition, any crimes happened at least a decade ago, and there are lots of other powerful people who don’t want the crimes investigated.
With Jensen Huang, the incident just happened, or maybe was ongoing. So, we’re not relying on faded memories or censored documents. There are photos of him with the woman from a few months(?) ago. Also, it involved nobody else, so it’s not some grand conspiracy that a lot of people are trying to keep quiet. And while he’s the CEO of the company, he doesn’t have any control over the investors in the company, so he couldn’t stop the stock price from plummeting. If it were a private company instead of a public one, he’d probably still be in charge. If it were things that happened a decade ago, he’d probably still be in charge. Finally, he’s a hecto-billionaire because of his nVidia stock, and his stock was plummeting because he was still CEO. The quickest solution to keep his own wealth was to resign. I doubt he’ll be charged with anything because he’s a hecto-billionaire and the AI bubble is propping up the stock market. He’ll probably do an apology tour and be back in charge at nVidia in a few years.
As for the ICC, the US never joined the ICC so it has no jurisdiction over the US. They’re not going to investigate the US because the US isn’t a member. And, when the ICC investigated people that Trump didn’t want investigated (Israelis, not Americans because America isn’t part of the ICC) Trump had US companies cut them off. Since American companies are so tied into the modern world, this meant lots of ICC personnel were effectively isolated from the world. Unless and until the US joins the ICC, the ICC won’t be investigating Americans. But, hopefully the new US congress will allow the ICC to continue its work without being harassed by the Trump admin.
Oh, re: ICC. I don’t think it’s not like the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty where you to signup to be subject to it. I don’t think there’s any limits on the ICC’s jurisdiction:
https://lemmy.ml/post/55336842
They can make a decision that US soldiers are guilty of war crimes, but then what?
Being a member of the ICC requires that a state cooperate with the court. If a witness is called, the state has to make that witness available. If the court wants access to evidence, the state has to provide that access. Most importantly, if a person is indicted or convicted, the state has to turn that person over.
Because the US withdrew from the ICC, if a US soldier is convicted of war crimes by the ICC they can just go on living their lives as normal because the US isn’t going to turn them over because they’re not a member of the ICC.
Thanks. I think the ICC can try people in absentia, though, but it has no independent authority to extradite. Pinochet was picked up in Spain and imagine Netanyahu won’t be spending any time on Greek beaches for the remainder of his life.
The US also has a policy, maybe a law, that authorizes military force to extract an US citizen from ICC justice. arewethebaddies.gif.
Worst case scenario, Huang violated export restrictions. Big deal. I’m not sure how he even rates in the footnotes of an encyclopedia of crimes committed in the last 2 years.
Investors feel differently.
Explain.
The AI bubble’s been a bubble for a long time. I’m not sure investors finally realizing it is any indication of Huang being a criminal. And as far as anything I’ve heard about it, it’s all been pretty out in the open (circular financing) and done with the blessing of regulators and the business press.
So, it’s just a coincidence that they decided to sell their shares right at the moment Huang’s affair with a spy was revealed? Sure…
Investors don’t like instability.
And, coincidentally, they decided that although Huang’s being a criminal didn’t matter, they suddenly felt unstable right at that moment?
Instability because Huang’s been CEO for a long time and he’s leaving suddenly.