• baines@lemmy.cafe
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      11 days ago

      on a society level i’d rather the dudes store get looted than constant school shootings but i acknowledge that is selfish

      on a personal level if i was him i’d want a few buddies and ARs for sure

      not sure how you reconcile that as a society, maybe address the issues that caused the original problem

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        It’s not selfish, just idiotic. There’s no minimum violence bar we need to hit, it’s okay to be against both.

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              ? now you’ve wondered into another claim i never made

              enjoy the strawman by yourself

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                on a society level i’d rather the dudes store get looted than constant school shootings

                you can’t have both guns and no guns

                It’s not my strawman, it’s yours.

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                  what strawman? do you even know what the word means? my whole point was wanting guns as defense and not having to deal with schools shootings?

                  it can’t be a strawman when it’s been my own argument from the start

                  there has been no other engagement by me

                  the rest is just you rambling

                  lord help you if this is normal for you

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        11 days ago

        maybe address the issues that caused the original problem

        I don’t want to see another gun ban because I know they don’t work. I’d rather see the root causes of violence addressed. If you address poverty, unemployment, homelessness, and mental illness with robust social programs and treat them as the systemic public health issues that they are, bans are unnecessary because crime will be obsolete.

        Banning guns with a law, enforced by police to whom the law does not apply, won’t stop gun violence; it will further entrench the police state.

        If simply having guns lead to gun violence, then other countries with higher rates of gun ownership than the US would have the same problems with gun violence.

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          I’d love to know what countries you think have higher rate of gun ownership than the states. Maybe look that one up?

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            the only ones close have much stricter access laws

            these dudes be making up shit to justify muricas bullshit

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          Guns don’t kill people, people kill people. Your first few sentences are correct. Mental health needs to be top priority. Bullying inschools needs to be handled differently. Your never going to stop gun violence 100% but if you can stop 95% of it, you take that as a win.