Users in .ml are so silly.
Most of you I assume identify or support socialism right? Why Russia then? Because they once were a communist country? Because China is allied with them?
I see a lot of support for Palestine from .ml users but hate towards Ukraine. What’s the difference there? Why is one invasion acceptable and even supported but another not?
- “Ukraine is Nazis!!1!1” A whole country is Nazis? Really? Russia isn’t also chock full of racism? Aren’t socialists supposed to be fighting for their fellow workers. Shouldn’t you be upset Russia is grinding an entire generation away over a special 3 day operation as he attempts to destroy Ukrainian proletariat?
It makes no fuckin sense. Russia is an oligarchy, Putin is a warlord. Why do y’all want to support that it’s pathetic.
It’s not about ‘supporting putin’, it’s about understanding what Ukraine has already done to its own people in the interest of continued western imperialism This user is far smarter than me and wrote up a summary, all of it is independently verifiable https://hexbear.net/comment/6721593 I don’t support Putin or russias government, I also don’t support the west, I don’t appreciate that the lives of Ukrainians and Russians are being spent again on what has almost been a hundred year war faught with proxies. But all of the material facts lead me to believe that Ukraines current government with the help of the US caused this mess
I won’t win any fans with this. But this write up is abysmal. Anyone reading this can see the immensely aggressive slant.
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Completely ignores the EU acting in the same fashion it portrays Russia, in their own interests. It repeatedly tries to frame one as defensive(Russia) and the other as interfering(“the West”/EU).
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Euromaidan, the Maidan Uprising is portrayed as a far right operation. I’ve even heard people here refer to it as a color revolution, a go-to action to discredit revolution movements someone doesn’t like. Referring to it as a far right coup is wildly insane. The amount of people involved and the complete unity by many different people in Ukraine just blows that narrative away. By also framing it as a “far right coup” they’re glossing over a massively important other side of this movement.
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The other side of the movement. This whole write up portrays Russia’s actions as defensive and innocent. HUGE red flag for anyone who can read history or understand human perception. It is the equivalent of two kids in a fight and one claiming their violence was self defense when it was not. What about before any of this that lead up to this? Russia camping it’s fleet in the black sea by Crimea and treating Ukraine as a proxy for influence of their own, something this write up claims the EU was trying to do. What about the Tuzla Island dispute? What about Russia’s war with Georgia for moving away from Russian influence? They had been building up an army far long before this NATO influence in Ukraine and expressed what they would do when a former Soviet Republic moves away from their influence. Fast forward and as soon as Yanukovych is removed from power, Russia invaded and took Crimea. Russia is showing immense aggression in the reason, framing themselves as defending themselves is completely a farce there’s no way to argue it any other way. It’s important to note also Yanukovych was not the only person in the government, under his presidency the Ukrainian government might’ve pushed towards some relationship with the EU but he is widely considered completely pro-Russia. It’s important to note Yanukovych now lives in Russia today. The Maidan Uprising started because Yanukovych refused to sign the EU association agreement.
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Russia itself was funding far right, conservative and monarchist separatists in Ukraine. Dmitry Rogozin, Igor Girkin and Konstantin Malofeev, Viktor Medvedchuk. They’re all very easily googable names that play a huge role in all of this to understand how saying “Ukrainian far right nazis” is a fucking joke. While their ideologies are probably individually different, Viktor Medvedchuk is a Russian stooge Putin is his daughter’s godfather, Dmitry Rogozin is a far right ultra nationalist, Igor Girkin another far right ultranationalist who committed war crimes against Bosnians that you’d probably call ethnic cleansing, Konstantin Malofeev a financier who denies the ethnic existence of Ukrainians. So when Russia tries to say far right nazis, what the fuck are they talking about? What is a Nazi? What is the far right? These people are all deeply tied to Russia’s actions in Ukraine, they’re very clearly far right themselves and a few of them engaged directly in the financing of ethnic erasure or straight up went out and ethnically cleansed areas, that’s what a Nazi fucking does. Russian mercenary companies specifically have been seen engaging in ethnic cleansing operations in Mali, Wagner and the African Corps have both engaged in executions, torture, forced displacement and disproportionate killings of the Fulani people in Mali. So it’s completely invalid any time someone says “Ukrainian far right nazis” cause Russia is doing the same shit? Who the hell is Russia to claim they’re fighting nazis? Absolutely a joke of an argument.
But ALL OF THIS IS IRRELEVANT. The simple fact is Ukrainians united and overwhelming supported ousting Yanukovych because he was fighting against what the Ukrainian people wanted and attempted to subvert their democracy by refusing to sign a document that has overwhelming support and the response from Russia was instant aggression, which they displayed the same in Georgia and again in Crimea which belonged to Ukraine in the first place.
Not even to mention to blantant lies in that post. Both sides violated the ceasefire of the Misnk agreement, Russia also presents itself as a mediator in the conflict while directly supplying these separatist factions with weapons and financing.
I understand you didn’t write it, but it’s a joke of a write up and anyone with half a mind could read that and see the complete and abysmal effort to slant it all to make Russia appear innocent which is laughable when they’re playing the same imperialist game they’ve always played.
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For the majority of the world’s people, Russia is their only shield from the imperialism of the US and the EU (mainly France). A world with a strong Russia is better than one with a weak Russia. Putin is a man; he will lose power / resign / die at some point. The 6,000 nukes keeping us safe are a lot more important.
And yes, Ukraine seems to be run by people who have no issue kidnapping their own citizens and sending them to die. They also worship WW2 Nazi collaborators. I’m sure Russia has its own racists, but they aren’t in power. One side is less bad than the other.
One side is less bad than the other.
It’s insane how many US nationalists-in-denial apply this to elections and absolutely fucking nothing else. Not you, just making the observation
New hope for those born too late to cheer the arrival of the Wehrmacht.
WYM, there are plenty of European and US fascists dying to fight on the eastern front.
reminder that it was the USSR that saved Europe from the wehrmacht
That time.
This ignores the fact that the USSR was perfectly happy to divvy up Eastern Europe between themselves and the Third Reich, right up until Ze Germans backstabbed them.
This marvel capeslop-ass distortion of events is about as accurate to the history it claims to depict as Hamilton.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland
Fuck your infographic bullshit lmfao
Address the infographic or concede that you have no leg to stand on. This Westword robot “i refuse to look at or think about opposing evidence” shit you liberals do is beyond tired.
someone gets real butthurt by facts, lol
Refuse to read and then just link wikipedia. A classic liberal tactic.
Meet the new boss, just like the old boss.
Yeah man the people who stopped the Holocaust are the same as the people who did it.
Nuclear levels of enlightened centrism
well, they took out 7 ilylion Ukrainian’s. with the Holomodor, so yes?
Ah, ye olde classic double Holocaust narrative. Cooked up by the “this Hitler guy isn’t so bad” Hearst press, popularized by the people who nuked Japan and starved India, and debunked ten ways til Sunday by the opening of the Soviet’s own archives. Everyone who ever grew up in the imperial bubble has heard the myth, and everyone who ever looked into it has seen it for the water-muddying work of western projection that it is.
Got anything real? Like, something that doesn’t come from the same rich childfuckers who claim Iran killed 200,000 protestors and Hamas beheaded babies? Or do you still believe they’ll find Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction any day now?
Then these are the dumbest people in France.
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Why? Because they see through the farce of western media? LMBO ok lib.world user
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Yeah see this only works if you have the correct opinion. You can’t pull it off with an opinion you got from the state department
LMBO yup, all lib.world users can do is lob insults and homophobic “jokes” when confronted with news outside the approval of the empire
Imagine talking about Russia positively and criticizing others for opinions “outside the approval of the empire” lmao
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I stay away from right wing trash on principle. Sounds like you’re lining up for that designation as well lmao.
The best location for you to stay away from “trash”, as you call normal people, would probably be the führerbunker.






