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    21 hours ago

    Reagan was far worse than Carter.

    Carter was a neoliberal and set the ball in motion for a lot of the worst that capitalism has reeked on the planet

    Two things can be true.

    both sides are the same

    I wasn’t saying that, but looks like that other guy went off the rails so good luck to him.

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      21 hours ago

      Both of the people I was talking to tried to defend Obama’s continued occupation of Afghanistan, so I’d consider myself justified in going off the rails. Or rather, they’re the one’s that went off the rails.

      How anyone could defend the pointless killing of hundreds of thousands of people, especially now, when it’s undeniable that it accomplished nothing, is hard to comprehend. How anyone could do so while thinking that they’re anywhere remotely near the left, or that they have even a sliver of morality in their body, is beyond me entirely.

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        4 hours ago

        Yeah it’s all just back to “yeah but my side isn’t as bad as your side” when really it’s just classic class warfare and we’re all trapped in this manufactured bullshit fight.

        Democrats are controlled opposition for the billionaire class, and first pass the post makes it damn hard to get out of this ratchet effect pushing us ever farther right.

        Sure, I’ll tactically vote for the lesser of two evils. Definitely vote. Maybe we can at least slow things down, and god willing get an actually progressive on the ballot, somewhere, but I do it with my nose held shut.

        Not voting doesn’t send any message at all.

        I don’t know if MLK was right about the arc of the universe bending toward justice, but I hope so. I just don’t see things getting better unless we can do some good old fashioned trust busting and take at least some control back from the Epstein class.

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            2 hours ago

            I see. So what do you recommend I do with my ballot?

            Shove it up my ass?

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              1 hour ago

              If you like.

              Depending on the race, if there is someone who isn’t controlled opposition or a genocidal warmonger, then voting for them could be worthwhile.

              Otherwise, literally all I’m asking you is to have some standards somewhere and to do something to actually hold politicians accountable to those standards. And if you can agree to that, then obviously no standard could possibly be more reasonable than, “No mass killing of hundreds of thousands of civilians” and no form of accountability could possibly be more reasonable than, “You don’t get my vote.”

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                1 hour ago

                Depending on the race, if there is someone who isn’tcontrolled opposition or a genocidal warmonger, then voting for them could be worthwhile.

                No shit? What about when there is not? The situation I was obviously talking about?

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                  1 hour ago

                  Did you not read my comment?

                  Otherwise, literally all I’m asking you is to have some standards somewhere and to do something to actually hold politicians accountable to those standards. And if you can agree to that, then obviously no standard could possibly be more reasonable than, “No mass killing of hundreds of thousands of civilians” and no form of accountability could possibly be more reasonable than, “You don’t get my vote.”

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                    54 minutes ago

                    Your comment doesn’t answer the question.

                    What do I do with my ballot?

                    You told me voting for a controlled opposition candidate was not tactical voting.

                    Were there exceptions?