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    Yes, how dare I not blindly believe what a government at war says about its operations, but instead ask for some corroborating information or insight into methodology? Surely I must be a dastardly foreign agent.
    What youre doing is a perfect example of an ad hominem by the way.

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      Incredible, no other information out there to corroborate what Kyiv reports, absolutely none. No information at all. It’s like a vacuum of information about what Ukraine does.

      But instead it’s all about you 💕 poor thing, that’s not allowed to believe whatever you feel best.

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        Incredible, no other information out there to corroborate what Kyiv reports, absolutely none. No information at all. It’s like a vacuum of information about what Ukraine does.

        Do you struggle with reading or something? Literally the first post in this comment chain is me asking for more sources.

        But instead it’s all about you 💕 poor thing, that’s not allowed to believe whatever you feel best.

        Okay, so you do struggle with reading? Because you somehow manage to read something I didnt write. Is it because making up a person to argue against is the only way you can win an argument, or is there some other reason you fuck up relating to what it is people say?

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          Ooh an ad hominem! Seems like you’re the person incapable of reading as there are sources every day about how Ukraine pounds Russia. But you can only bring a horse to the water, not make him drink I guess.

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            Lmao all of you idiots say the same shit and you all open your mouths without understanding the words coming out. It’s happening so often there is no need to write anything new, since it’s all already been written:

            Thats not what an ad hominem is you fucking idiot. You fool, you buffoon. Learn what the concepts you speak of mean, you absolute dolt.
            An ad hominem isn’t “when you get insulted.” An ad hominem is when the quality of your character is tied to the quality of your argument - Something plenty of people do here all the time.
            And you’re even fucking it more up, because the person isn’t even insulting you, unless you count yourself to be someone without a brain! Fucking incredible moronic self-own.

            “You suck” is not an ad hominem. “You suck and your argument sucks” is also not an ad hominem. “You suck and therefore your statement sucks” is an ad hominem.
            Now, an ad hominem does not need to make the correlation between character and argument overt. It is enough that the argument is dismissed on the basis of the person making it, though not every case where this happens will be an ad hominem.

            More examples:
            “Youre a Russian propagandist and I dont listen to Russian propaganda!” <- Adhummer
            “Youre a bot, so I dont have to engage” <- add hummus
            “Typical statement from .ml users, youre all saying silly stuff” <- alt host

            Calling you brainless is just calling you brainless. It is only when the argument is dismissed directly or indirectly through this personal demeaning that it is a logical fallacy. And it doesn’t even have to be an insult! But you’re too fucking stupid to see that, you just throw words around that you have picked up thru cultural osmosis without ever learning them. Idiot.

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              You fool, you buffoon.

              Yeah ad hominem right there.

              Now go cry Ivan, the first Ukrainian ballistic missile just hit Russia. Check it out, even you must be able to find the information lol.

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                An ad hominem isn’t when I insult you you fucking idiot. Its literally right there where you quote me. Read the text you actual imbecile. Click the link to realise youre such a common halfwit that this text is a copypasta.

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                  Cry again, wikipedia:

                  Ad hominem, short for argumentum ad hominem (‘argument directed at the person’), is a rhetorical tactic of attacking the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than the substance of the argument itself.

                  So if you arrack the person instead of the argument, you guessed it, ad hominem! Saying someone is a moron instead of debunking the fact he threw at you, guess what? Ad Hominem!

                  Learn some latin for gods sake.

                  Slava Ukraine 😁😁😁😁😁👍🏼🔥🔥🔥

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                    Do you read the text you’re quoting?

                    is a rhetorical tactic of attacking the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than the substance of the argument itself.

                    It is making the argument about you instead of about the argument. There is no argument with an insult. It is not “making the argument about you” it’s just an insult. It is only when the character is tied to the argument that you see an Ad Hominem. You monumental idiot <- Also not an ad hominem.

                    There’s even more than one form - as I also wrote for you. Learn some basic english, for gods’ sake. https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/fallacies#letter-A

                    I’m going to block you now. You’ve shown yourself to be so thickheaded you can read and quote a piece of text and still not understand it. Talking to you is an embarassment, you absolute oxheaded brick.