after 15 years, iOS has finally caught up with all the main android features, such as
- very mid ui design
- kinda floaty feeling
- unpolished vibe android itself has progressed little, although it is rapidly achieving feature parity with iOS on “locked down user hostility”. overall both ecosystems look very appealing, energetic, and healthy, for shareholders
Doesn’t it just need a 24 hour wait to unlock sideloading?
And how long before they remove that do you think?
Google’s reputation will tank if they remove it soon so it will take a long time before that will happen
“just”. If you have no problem with being treated like a child, on your own device, then yes. “Just 24hrs”. And btw…that’s 24hrs, FOR NOW. Testing if the resistance is even worth considering (which it won’t be).
Being treated like a child is subjective, however. And, superuser features are really not for everyone. Anyways, the best way to fight for this is being loud. The only reason Google gave the 24 hour unblock anyway was due to the community. And, if another person chooses Apple, let them be. Google should know what the differentiating factor Android has and blur the difference then just go buy an iPhone.
Not everyone loves leaving the house, yet you would probably prefer if you always could. Should you decide to do so. It’s your house after all. You’d probably feel like a grounded kid if police wouldn’t allow you to step outside.
I don’t share your optimism. Being loud is irrelevant if you’re a small minority and the majority doesn’t care or doesn’t even see a problem here (or where it will inevitably lead to).
Yes, the reason to go Apple was never better. Even for an Apple-hater like me. The said differentiating factor diminishes…
Leaving the house is a long shot for a comparison. The average person can close any app they want. Maybe a better comparison is not being allowed to install your air conditioner on your own and being required by your Home Association to install it through their prescribed partner. Not everyone wants to install their air conditioner on their own. In phone speak, most people only care now if they can youtube, FB, instagram, or tiktok.
I find the analogy very fitting. Both are devices that get locked down and may not leave. Literally.
And just because the broad majority is clueless of something doesn’t mean it shall be locked down harder. If you’re the usual ignorant facebooker, a hidden key to always leave your house (if you’re one of those very few that like to venture beyond your own garden) would suffice to “protect” the flock from the evil outside. You don’t have to destroy all locks slowly one by one…
Imagine windows did the same and PCs would ship without admin-pwd and the ability to install another OS. And only win-store’d be the place to install stuff. Sounds totally absurd, because win can’t (yet) do this.
I don’t understand how leaving becomes an analogy wherein the goal of being a superuser is not to leave the platform but to customize the platform. So you don’t want developer verification because you want people to be able to… leave?
Leaving the walled garden that is becoming play store. Like Apple already did. Leaving here means being able to go beyond the confines of said store. Maybe the analogy to a prison is better than your home. You get everything you need and don’t need to care for anything ever. Until you one day wanna go outside.
If it was for google, there’d already be no option to do anything you need control for. It’s not only the locked store. I can’t backup my stuff unless I gift it to google. I can’t control my own device in my own apps reliably anymore, I have no authority in the lock screen and its settings, and a million things more.
Of course, clueless people need to be protected, all fine. But why not an option like “I know what I’m doing, I don’t need hand holding, thanks”. Enable it, acknowledge another 3 big warnings that would scare away anyone mistakenly ending up there, and fine. Everyone’s happy. They don’t do that, that says everything.
I really don’t know how to move forward with this. The time delay is useful so a clueless user will have enough time to think about something that they would do before actually doing it. Let’s say they won’t easily install a sketchy app while drunk, etc. Remember that hackers rarely hack, they just socially engineer. For power users, you just need to wait for the 24 hour time frame. If it is a problem, you can set it up now so you no longer have to think about it. Now, if you are scared about Google removing the option, I think you have enough time to prepare yourself so it wouldn’t have much of an impact when the time comes as it will not be that soon. It can also be delayed further by increasing pressure from the users just like how I said earlier that people can be loud about it or the minority can spread awareness so the minority becomes a majority. Because other than this, I really don’t know what else we can do that is feasible for a regular individual.
Yes, we can have “alternatives” but do take note there are pros and cons to those alternatives one of which Google and Apple can bring 0-day fixes much faster than the alternatives (in this case, you have to choose between superuser control and security). For an average person, do you think self-custody is worth their time with increasing chances of finding 0-day bugs because of how good AIs have become? I have taken notes of the recent bitcoin hacking and it seems I would rather buy a bitcoin ETF because the self-custody hardware wallets were actually easy to hack. And, if we will talk about this further, I am curious, what superuser functionality is currently hindered right now with the developer verification thing that you really need to use?
They’re boiling the android frog until it is no better than apple. Sailfish and Postmarket is the future.
Unfortunately, mobile banking apps are important today that you can’t just leave Android or iOS.
The bank apps work fine on graphene.
Yes, but not every bank app. Someone on another country might not have the choice.
Well it’s a chicken and egg problem, if everyone stays on android, Graphene won’t improve since companies won’t feel incentivised to go where the customers are.