here’s what i have always done:
if the dates are > 3 weeks out, i am informing. i wont be in. i inform. then i don’t show.
if the dates are < 3 weeks snd only say a long weekend: again, i inform.
if the dates are “tomorrow”: i inform.
that’s all there is to it. if your “policy” is “find coverage” never do that part. managers can manage.
Scenario 1 is a great way to get fired
dunno how. i have used it in all my jobs since i was a teenager. i start the convo about how i do it when getting hired, and it’s never a “find out” secret. some folks think “hes just bs” but nope.
wait till you start a salaried job and while on pto/fto a boss calls you and you take that day back and don’t take pto that day. ;)
remind bosses that they have jobs to do too.
Maybe a few years ago but not now, that’s a great way to spend longer looking for work.
yeah to be fair i am 8 years in on this job and it’s got “unlimited pto” which is the horseshit you think it might be.
When I “request” time off, it’s not a request. It’s a notification. I will be gone. The work needed to be done is done or will be done by the deadlines. Any emergencies that arise in the meantime will be dealt with when I’m back. If my request is denied, that’s not my problem, I will still be gone.
Exactly. If I give you sufficient notice, 2 weeks is probably a good minimum, and no one else is taking off at that time, that’s a you problem if you can’t cover it. If your team is not structured such that you can honor PTO with sufficient notice, you are not offering PTO. You are lying about benefits.
As an employer (and thus an evil capitalist pigdog etc.) I’ve always applied the rule of the thumb that “twice the holiday duration as notice” is polite to the employer and your colleagues who will cover for you - so two days notice for a day off, two weeks notice for a week off, a month’s notice for two weeks off, etc.
“Polite” does not mean “mandatory” of course - circumstances can dictate that sometimes you have to break the rule of thumb and that’s fine.
Up to two weeks it makes sense, over 2 weeks it’s a disaster waiting to happen. Unless you have a really well organized boss or some software to help you out, they will forget and no matter if you have written proof you will appear as the one who left despite everything or you will have to fight for it or cancel because you reminded them just before leaving. I’m lucky I’m in the EU so we have mandatory vacations
Is “owning a calendar” really the bar we’re setting for being really well organized these days?
You will also be without a job. Requests can be honored if they are timely and follow the rules but everyone can’t be off before forth of July or Christmas. There’s usually a process to be fair to others and the business.
Attention readers: before you make the mistake of digging through this thread, recognize that this poster is literally some shitty small manager of like 30 employees. Yet they talk like some deranged billionaire. Hysterical.
Psycho. Going through posting history? Blocked.
