Hello folks,

I would like to share my disappointment and concerns about Bluesky and the AT Protocol, and hear your thoughts on this. I welcome your thoughtful and insightful input.

I have been an early Bluesky user since around 2023. Like everyone else, I felt a small sense of “hope” in the idea of an open social network and an open protocol after more than a decade of decline in social media, as we all tried to run away from algorithms, advertising, misinformation, and all the other forms of digital waste created by fascist big tech companies.

That was “the ideal”, at least.

Open social networks and open protocols gave us a sense of “hope” for greater freedom, decentralization, and regaining control, at least to some extent.

However, after spending time across the AT Protocol network and Bluesky, and using several platforms built on it, I realized an ironic reality.

This openness is not truly freer or more controllable. In the end, it only seems to be a different form of control.

I do not deny that the AT Protocol communities are still growing strongly, are vibrant, and have great potential. Things seem “promising”.

But personally, as an ordinary user rather than a technology expert or programmer. I have too many concerns about safety, privacy, and control. To me, it does not feel much different from being trapped inside the ecosystems of big tech social networks.

  1. Regarding openness

A PDS identity, cool, can be easily used across many platforms.

But everything is open, and everything is indexed.

Even who you block, who blocks you, when you usually use an app, your daily time, what your previous usernames were, etc… and more are all recorded.

This is genuinely dangerous and concerning for users. Malicious people can stalk and harm others. Conflicts in work and daily life can arise across networks of colleagues and friends because everyone can know who blocked whom. Or, it could increase hostility in many different ways between communities, institutions, and countries. Or, simply out of curiosity, anyone can check open information about your account and your activities through third-party indexing tools and apps created to index data on the AT Protocol.

  1. Regarding PDS management

Having a single PDS shared across the entire ecosystem sounds quite simple and easy to understand.

However, actually understanding it and managing it is far from easy for most ordinary users who know little or nothing about programming or technical systems.

Does this mean that Bluesky and the entire AT Protocol community are ultimately designed only for programmers, developers, engineers, digital experts, and people with technical expertise?

Even knowledgeable users such as artists, teachers, scholars, etc., may not fully understand the technical aspects of using platforms within this protocol.

When we first started using it, we had no idea that ALL of our data was public. Or perhaps we only knew that followers, following, likes, and posts were public.

Then we realized that numerous third-party indexing tools record our behavior and activities — making nearly all of our data publicly accessible.

You could say that as long as we are present on social media or simply on the internet, everything is public.

True.

But at least I know in advance what I choose to make public and what I still have some control over. Here, when joining the AT Protocol, we are completely passive in understanding what is happening to our accounts and data.

We are not programmers, developers, engineers, digital experts, or people with technical expertise who can closely follow the development of the AT Protocol or research it every day.

Clearly, from the beginning, Bluesky and the entire AT Protocol ecosystem have consistently presented themselves as a protocol and a set of communities built for everyone. Yet in the end, both on the surface and beneath the surface, they seem to have been built only for programmers, developers, engineers, digital experts, or technology investors. Even politicians, social media personalities, KOLs, and influencers are migrating from old platforms to spread the same toxic behaviors once again.

If that is the case, then ordinary users once again become the product, the content, and the experiment for an entire community and protocol made up of many different companies, over and over again.

That is truly ironic: a digital spectacle society trapped in an endless loop.

  • Encrypt-Keeper@lemmy.world
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    6 hours ago

    Kind of, but that’s what every creator of every protocol in existence did, including ActivityPub. Thats just how stuff gets made. One thing to appreciate about ATproto is that they made the protocol extensible so that you can shape the standard to fit your own needs in a way that other protocols like ActivityPub don’t, at least not as easily. Since the base of ATproto isn’t your home instance but rather your own personal PDS which is just a database, anyone can define a new schema for records on your database and stand up new functionality, like with Standard.site.

    This means that you can connect practically anything to ATproto by simply creating records that match the same schema other ATproto apps expect. Like you can connect a simple blog that is just a static site to the “Atmosphere” (ATproto’s term for fediverse) with a simple script that adds a record when you make a new post.

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      6 hours ago

      ActivityPub was one of the first and is a W3C (The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) develops standards and guidelines to help everyone build and enjoy a web based on the principles of accessibility, internationalization, privacy and security) recommendation: https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/

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        6 hours ago

        No, it wasn’t. ActivityPub is less than 10 years old and was developed as a solution to the fragmented landscape of federation protocols that existed 1-2 decades prior to it. Activitypub is literally the meme

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            4 hours ago

            From your link:

            W3C Candidate Recommendation 22 August 2017

            2026-2017 = 9

            9<10

            Diaspora

            Launched November 2010

            2026-2010= 16

            16>9

            XMPP/Jabber

            The first major public release was released in May 2000

            2026-2000=26

            26>9

            OpenMicroBlogging

            Released in early 2008

            2026-2008=18

            18>9

            OpenMicroBlogging took XMPP/Jabber as a proof-of-concept and created something similar for the purpose of Microblogging.

            Ostatus (replaced OpenMicroBlogging, and the influence of ActivityPub)

            released March 2010

            2026-2010=16

            16>9

            Ostatus was the precursor to Activitypub and is what Mastodon and other federated social media sites used prior to ActivityPub.

            From the very first paragraph of the ActivityPub Wiki:

            The creation of a new standard for decentralized social networking was prompted by the complexity of OStatus, the most commonly used protocol at the time. OStatus was built using a multitude of technologies (such as AtomSalmonWebSub and WebFinger), a product of the infrastructure used in GNU social (the originator and largest user of the OStatus protocol), which made it difficult to implement the protocol into new software.

            Activitypub was built on top of nearly 20 years of existing protocols and was an attempt to make one protocol to rule them all, it is literally the exact thing the xkcd strip is talking about.