I’d have more sympathy if I didn’t get numerous letters saying YOU ARE BREAKING THE LAW ~if you watch live TV without a licence~
YOU WILL GO TO JAIL ~if our enforcement officers find you have been watching live TV without a licence~
Contact us to apply for an exemption if you don’t watch live TV (as if a paid licence is a given that you must request an exemption from)
TV detection vans are real but they aren’t high tech. Some people think they have fancy antennas that can detect your TV. Other people think it’s all a bluff and the antennas on the roof of the van are fake just for show.
The truth is much simpler. The antennas on the top of the van are real, but they just receive regular TV broadcasts. The technician watches TV in the back of the van. They also point a parabolic microphone at your window so they can hear what’s happening inside the house.
If there’s a TV playing in the house, the technician flips through TV channels to see if they can synch up the mic audio with the broadcast audio. If they record a perfect match, that’s sufficient to prove that you’re watching broadcast TV, not just a recording, VHS, DVD, or streaming service.
Edit: I should clarify, the reason this isn’t considered eavesdropping or wiretapping is because the technician isn’t actually listening to or recording the audio being gathered from the shotgun mic. They are just observing the results of a comparator that is comparing the TV broadcast waveform with the mic waveform, without recording anything. This allows them to identify identical sound profiles without actually hearing or recording the sound. The machine basically goes “Yep these audio signals match to within an acceptable margin of error”
If you think that’s bad, look up TV licensing goons on YouTube and watch them forcing their way into houses in Britain with warrants and cops to inspect your TV.
I actually remember seeing this before. But if not a warrant, what did they have then? Just a pretend paper? Because if it was an actual warrant, they would have gone in?
It’s a real warrant, signed by a justice of the peace, and legally enforceable. They could have forced their way inside. They just have a policy not to do that if it comes to it because it’s very bad publicity for TV licensing, so they withdrew. But by refusing to comply with the warrant, the person filming is actually committing obstruction of justice, which carries a much greater fine than just watching TV broadcast without a license. So he’ll probably get a summons for that too.
Also how does this hold up in court if the only “evidence” is presented by people who are in a conflict of interest and can easily falsify it (point the microphone at a prepared tv / different house)?
Probably, yeah. You would probably sell a bunch of them. This isn’t the only method they use, they look through windows from the street, knock on doors etc, but it would help cut down on tv licensing van hits
I’d have more sympathy if I didn’t get numerous letters saying YOU ARE BREAKING THE LAW ~if you watch live TV without a licence~ YOU WILL GO TO JAIL ~if our enforcement officers find you have been watching live TV without a licence~
Contact us to apply for an exemption if you don’t watch live TV (as if a paid licence is a given that you must request an exemption from)
No sympathy for these tactics
TV detection vans are real but they aren’t high tech. Some people think they have fancy antennas that can detect your TV. Other people think it’s all a bluff and the antennas on the roof of the van are fake just for show.
The truth is much simpler. The antennas on the top of the van are real, but they just receive regular TV broadcasts. The technician watches TV in the back of the van. They also point a parabolic microphone at your window so they can hear what’s happening inside the house.
If there’s a TV playing in the house, the technician flips through TV channels to see if they can synch up the mic audio with the broadcast audio. If they record a perfect match, that’s sufficient to prove that you’re watching broadcast TV, not just a recording, VHS, DVD, or streaming service.
Edit: I should clarify, the reason this isn’t considered eavesdropping or wiretapping is because the technician isn’t actually listening to or recording the audio being gathered from the shotgun mic. They are just observing the results of a comparator that is comparing the TV broadcast waveform with the mic waveform, without recording anything. This allows them to identify identical sound profiles without actually hearing or recording the sound. The machine basically goes “Yep these audio signals match to within an acceptable margin of error”
And that’s a legal tactic? That’s basically spying on people and what they do in their houses.
If you think that’s bad, look up TV licensing goons on YouTube and watch them forcing their way into houses in Britain with warrants and cops to inspect your TV.
https://youtu.be/g-Fn4BiHekk
Welcome to Britain, where the laws are made up and your rights don’t matter
I actually remember seeing this before. But if not a warrant, what did they have then? Just a pretend paper? Because if it was an actual warrant, they would have gone in?
It’s a real warrant, signed by a justice of the peace, and legally enforceable. They could have forced their way inside. They just have a policy not to do that if it comes to it because it’s very bad publicity for TV licensing, so they withdrew. But by refusing to comply with the warrant, the person filming is actually committing obstruction of justice, which carries a much greater fine than just watching TV broadcast without a license. So he’ll probably get a summons for that too.
Also how does this hold up in court if the only “evidence” is presented by people who are in a conflict of interest and can easily falsify it (point the microphone at a prepared tv / different house)?
I’m guessing that’s the reason they’re pressing to to in and inspect. Even though at the end they didn’t go. So they weren’t justified at all.
They’re just pressing so that people cave in and think "well they must be in the right, they have the law (policeman) on their side.
I seriously doubt that they’ve ended up suing the guy.
Surely that could be easily defeated with a super basic signal delay circuit?
Probably, yeah. You would probably sell a bunch of them. This isn’t the only method they use, they look through windows from the street, knock on doors etc, but it would help cut down on tv licensing van hits