Just want to say, I bought a framework 13 and it’s fantastic. Been running arch off of it for two years and it’s been a workhorse.
It was expensive comparable to a similar specced PC at the time but I make enough to vote with my wallet so that’s what I did. I think anyone who has the money but doesn’t, simply because there’s a better deal that’s worse for the environment and the makers of the item, while holding a right to repair or anti-corporate mindset are hypocritical at best.
The world gets better if we make it that way, and I see buying a framework (if you have the extra money) as a small step in a better direction.
Not in the market for a laptop currently but I do intend to keep them in mind since I use Linux.
This proves that making a product twice as expensive actually does decrease sales significantly if you aren’t Apple.
This may seem weird but I dislike the aspect ratio of their screens.
I have a desktop with 16:9 monitors and a laptop with 16:10.
Those are close enough that your workflow doesn’t really change. But 2:3 is different enough it makes a difference.
That and for what they are they’re crazy expensive. So I went for a Slimbook (kinda the Spanish version of Tuxedo). They’re not perfect but I found them “good enough”.
I have bought and returned 2 framework laptops. They are repairable but they are also questionable build quality.
The screen on the Framework 12 is very subpar and the size and weight throw it out of being a light laptop.
Despite saying how good Linux support was running NixOS on the replacement Framwork 13 was not great either. Wireless drops and countless reports of drops on their forums with zero responses or workarounds. Most people buy replacement wireless adapters cause the one Framework ships just doesn’t work.
On top of that the laptop just feel cheap with a steep price. I have hope for the new Pro, but we’ll have to see if it’s any good because so far I am pretty dissapointed with Framework.
motherfuckers acting like those laptops aren’t five hundred bajillion dollars
If I were god king of (USA/Europe/Asia…the Universe), I would subsidize repairable laptops. It would save resources in the long run, for both humanity and the planet.
I would love to have a Framework laptop. Those things are awesome as hell.
Unfortunately, my very old laptop that I’ve torn down and repaired over a dozen times is still kicking. And spending $100 to fix it is cheaper than spending a gazillion dollars on a new Framework.
Who would have thought a more expensive, more premium product would have a hard time finding customers during a time when people are struggling to pay bills and cant even afford the non-existent dollar menu at mcdonalds anymore.
They value a laptop that excels at providing value for money, a compact design, battery life, and brand familiarity.
Value for money on what timescale? Most seem to only think about the price vs the functionality a few days after purchase. Longer term, the ability to upgrade and repair components instead of pitching the whole thing would be higher value for money, but that’s not how most consumers think.
A compact design is nice, but not the be-all-end-all if Framework can get in a reasonable size/weight range.
Battery life is an oxymoron here… the main issue I have with laptop battery life is after a few years of use it dwindles, eventually to zero. When the battery isn’t replaceable, or is a proprietary form factor which costs nearly as much as a new laptop - that results in horrible battery life and value for money performance, but does generate new unit sales for non-repairable laptops.
Framework uses batteries that die after a few years (mine turned into a spicy pillow after 25 months). My M1 MacBook Air from 2020 still has 88% battery health according to the OS.
My Framework lasts about 5-7 hours on battery. My MacBook lasts about 15 hours on battery.
Replacing the battery on my Framework cost me about $80. Having Apple replace the battery in my MacBook would cost $160.
Let’s say my MacBook’s battery is about to go bad (it’s not). Battery replacement every 6 years, vs battery replacement every 2-3 years (let’s be generous and say 3 years) with Framework. That means after 6 years, both laptops will just be getting a new battery, and you will have spent $160 on new batteries for each one. Sounds like there’s no benefit to Framework battery-wise.
First gen framework 13 and the battery is still strong for me.
My MacBookPro from 2006 (and those of several colleagues) turned their batteries into spicy pillows in under a year. Glad to hear that the “you’re holding it wrong” 5 bars signal strength everywhere you go phone company also has great (self reported) battery health, these days.
There’s the raw cost of the batteries, then there’s the hassle and downtime. If you just love hanging out at the genius bar then having your MacBook serviced is a positive experience for you - enjoy. I’d rather just grab a spare off the shelf and slap it in when I’ve finally had enough of my existing battery being anemic.
I seem to have notebooks thrown at me for free every so often, so often that I haven’t bought one for myself in 20+ years, so what Framework does or doesn’t do is a bit academic for me, but… if Framework makes their batteries generic enough that anybody (competent) with a 3D printer and a soldering iron could make them, you would think that would keep the batteries cheap and readily available.
I have a 1st gen framework 13 and the battery is still at 85% health.
Unfortunately Linux (and Windows) power management kinda sucks in comparison to Apple products so the battery life (especially sleep) is pretty bad in comparison.
I really bought one to support the cause of repairable and upgradable hardware even though there is a cost to that.
Lmk when they’re corebooted.
Otherwise I’ll stick with system76 or starlabs.
Just wondering, what does coreboot do that the oss bios framework uses doesnt do?
As far as I know framework only has open source embedded controller hardware NOT EUFI.
Either way there isn’t a way to neutralize/disable Intel ME on those machines.
Insyde is a full eufi bios afaik. But fair enough, i cant comment on the intel me thing as my framework is an amd model 😅
I want one but I just got a refurbished thinkpad for like $350 and I’m trying to be a little more financially responsible than I was in the past. That being said I recently spent $2k on a 3D printer so maybe I’m not doing that well with the financial responsibility. I would love to get their 13 pro whenever it’s in my budget.
The article is clanker slop. It’s mostly reiterative, a clear sign of clanker slop. Clankers are reiterative in their slop. A lot of clanker slop is reiterative.
It felt repetitive to me too lol. I thought it scrolled back up to the top of something.
That’s an excellent point, and you’re right to push back on this. Let me make an honest evaluation of the situation.
Not all reiterative spamlike garbage is clanker slop. Some of it is deliberately written to prioritize SEO over respecting the reader or producing anything of quality. Either way thanks for giving me the heads-up not to give them any of my time.
AKA some of it is meatslop
I’d say we had more meatslop two years ago than we have clankerslop today, though the clankers are gaining share…
That’s where the clankers learned it.
so it doesnt work
I would be willing to buy one if they sold them in my country
