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    12 days ago

    This does raise a good question from a socialist perspective: Can someone even as far gone as Plattner change? Consider also that there were people in the Red Army that were previously in the White Army.

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      12 days ago

      Consider also that there were people in the Red Army that were previously in the White Army.

      Being in the Red Army is not equivalent to being a Senator. You don’t fuck up and then go into politics and seek out a leadership position as a “second chance.” That’s not forgiveness, that’s just failing to hold politicians accountable and letting powerful people get away with shit.

      Humility is a requirement of forgiveness and seeking public office is in complete contradiction to that. You want forgiveness, go volunteer at a soup kitchen or some shit. Don’t fuck up and then immediately go, “I think I deserve to be invested with power.”

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        12 days ago

        You’ve got me in your first two paragraphs but lose me in the third. I agree that people can show that they’re a fundamentally different person through hard work and successful change, but not that redemption is impossible.

        I often like to return to the thought experiment of “if starting now everyone lived forever, how long would we imprison people for their crimes?” Also, we know Plattner was part of multiple evil organizations, but what do we actually know he did for them, because I genuinely don’t know.