I’ve been thinking about this more and more. According to the sidebar, this community is “A place to share alternatives to popular online services that can be self-hosted without giving up privacy or locking you into a service you don’t control.” Based on that I don’t think Plex qualifies.
Privacy: Plex clearly records the metadata of what you watch. When I used it, it would send me a report by email of what my “friends” were watching. Even with that turned off, their services still track telemetry.
Control: Plex has all of it. They can (and do) make unilateral changes to the service, how authentication works, where you can run it, etc.
So I ask, when you are hosting something that is entirely dependent on a commercial entity to function, is Plex really selfhosting in the spirit of this community?
Plex requires a Plex Pass subscription to share outside of your local network. Plex doesn’t allow you to watch media on your local network if your internet service is down, even if you have the Pass, because the service requires a constant connection to the Plex service itself. You can’t use apps on most streaming boxes and sticks without a Pass subscription. Plex records telemetry on all of your viewing habits and shares it with any of your associates who also use the service.
I switched from Plex to Emby a decade ago because of the restriction on local network streaming without an internet connection. My internet service went down and I said to myself “well I can at least watch my locally hosted files on my tv sitting next to the server”. Nope, not allowed. I emailed Plex support about it once my internet was back and they said that wasn’t a bug, it was by design. I dropped it then and there even though I had a lifetime Pass subscription.
It actually does, you can whitelist local IP addresses, allowing them to bypass plex auth servers.
Good to know, and it would have been nice if that support rep had just told me that ten years ago instead of inadvertently talking me into dropping the service altogether. Hell, it would have been nice if that was in the documentation, but obviously they have a vested interest in mining your data.
Still, for all of the reasons above and more, I’ll never use Plex again. I occasionally help a friend keep his Plex installation maintained and it’s just a shitty service compared to the more open options in my experience. I’ve told him about the better options but his sunk cost mindset (he paid the current lifetime fee) won’t let him migrate.
Its been in the docs for at least 7 years now (check the Last Modified date).
Well that’s good at least!
Does that mean you could theoretically get all setup and pull the internet plug for your Plex server?
(I haven’t used Plex since about 2012)
Yes. This has always been possible.
I think so but it wouldn’t be able to get all the metadata for any new content you add so probably wouldn’t be a great idea
And my experience was nearly ten years ago. I’m glad they updated the documentation. Thanks for the link!
This is incorrect and parroted constantly. It almost feels intentional.
Why would I lie? It was my experience at the time, if it has changed for the better since then, that’s great for Plex users.
It has not changed. Your experience is, you didn’t read the docs, made an assumption, and have been incorrect ever since. Idc if you call it a lie or not, but you know now. If you continue to spread this misinformation, it is absolutely a lie.
For what it’s worth, I had a pretty much identical experience a month or two back.
Plex woke up one day and decided that the TV in my living room and the server in my home-office were clearly so far apart that I’d need to give them money to stream all 20 feet over my LAN - presumably because they woke up one morning and decided that it’s more profitable not to understand VLANs (apparently not understanding VLANs is the “new Plex experience” and we should be very excited about it.) At least, that’s what their support told me - they assured me that streaming from one room to another is now a paid feature.
Naturally, I told them to go fuck themselves and installed Jellyfin. And donated 10x what a ‘Plex Pass’ would have cost to the guy that made the Samsung-Tizen-Jellyfin-Installer thingummy. Because, well, fuck Plex.
And then they all clapped.
Tremendous work, have you considered a career on the stage? Sweeping it, perhaps?
If not a lie, you were simply misinformed. Hopefully you will no longer be
I’ll say it again: it was my experience at the time, ten years ago. There is no misinformation. Apparently the situation has changed for the better for Plex users and that’s great. But I’m not going to change what I said, because it was what I experienced; to do so would be misinformation.
The situation did not change. You were wrong ten years ago too.
The difference between “this is true” and “this was true ten years ago” is huge.
Presenting one as the other is why you’re being challenged
I never misrepresented anything. I spoke of my experience, and when I was told the situation had changed I was clear in several comments that I was happy it is now better for current users. You are talking as if I am intentionally misleading people when it’s clear that I am not. Why are you doing that?
I didn’t suggest you did it intentionally.
I am suggesting that you are being challenged by others because your sentence as written and without the context of the other comments is incorrect, whether intentionally or unintentionally.
Well, grammatical quibble then.
Your verbs are present tense and not past tense:
This gives the impression that you’re talking about the current state of things. Which seems to be the above commenter’s issue.
Where as:
or
Would imply a past experience.
Misinformation doesn’t mean that you’re intentionally lying (that is disinformation), it just means that you’re stating facts that are not true.
(I’m not being negative, just pedantic lol)
To actually contribute to the conversation:
Plex now allows local network streaming without their servers being offline as long as your client is already authenticated (cached tokens have a short expiration date however)
Alternatively, you can add your LAN’s subnet in Settings > Server > Network > ‘List of IP addresses and networks that are allowed without auth’
Here’s a full written guide: https://forums.plex.tv/t/howto-use-plex-with-no-internet/383325
I was clear in other comments that I was speaking of what I knew to be true at the time, therefore the tense was correct from my perspective. I was told that the situation changed about seven years ago, I acknowledged this and expressed happiness for current Plex users, and then came several different people piling on telling me I’m lying, I’m wrong, I’m misleading, even after I stated that my experience was ten years ago and I acknowledged that things had changed since then.
To be abundantly clear, from my point of view before I was corrected, the present tense was correct based on my experience. I acknowledged the corrections and was still accused of lying and misrepresenting. I just don’t get that. I don’t understand why immediately acknowledging and accepting and even expressing genuine happiness that the situation has changed leads to attacks from all sides. I don’t understand why any of you refuse to acknowledge that I was speaking of an experience a decade ago, you all insist that I’m trying to say that is how it is now, and I’m not fucking doing that at all.
This place takes itself way, way too seriously, in my opinion. I’m sorry for any toes I stepped on without even meaning to, and I won’t comment on the matter further.
I understood the misunderstanding from reading the previous comments.
I didn’t say you were intentionally lying, only that you were mistaken. I wasn’t making a personal attack.
I acknowledge that based on your experience that is how Plex worked 10 years ago, but it is not how it currently works. So, when you say that ‘this is how Plex works’ instead of ‘this is how Plex worked 10 years ago’ it’s implying that it still works like that when it does not. That could confuse people who are here and trying to learn.
The community exists to talk about, and help people with, self hosting. Providing incorrect information runs counter to that purpose and so community members should point out when information isn’t correct.
Misinformation just means that the information that you’re providing is not correct, it’s not a personal attack on you to be corrected about a factual issue. It doesn’t mean that you’re a bad person or suggest that you’re trying to be intentionally misleading, it just means that your statements do not match the current factual reality.